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How was the judaic nation invented? Interview with prof. Szlomo Sand
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Shlomo Sand is a prof. of the past of the University of Tel Aviv. Author of a loud and controversial book "The Invention of the judaic People" – “When and how the judaic Nation was invented”and “Why I stopped being Jewish. Israeli Look’ and ‘When and how the land of Israel was invented. From Holy Land to Homeland”.
Piotr Zychowicz interviewed prof. Szlomo Sand.
For many years no book has shaken the judaic planet as powerfully as it has. “Inventing the judaic Nation” Szlomo Sanda, prof. of past from the prestigious University of Telaviw. Israeli scientist with Polish roots by any was described as a madman and anti-semite who defiles his own nest. Others consider him a visionary who was not afraid to go against the top judaic taboo and break the collusion of silence.
As the book's title suggests, prof. Sand believes that... the judaic nation was invented. In Israel, his technological trial was met with large interest of readers and – almost without precedent for technological works – was placed on the list of bestsellers, on which she was constantly on for 19 weeks. A akin success was achieved in France, where she won the prestigious Prix Aujourd’hui.
In October, the book came out in English and went to Britain and the United States, triggering another wave of polemics and press disputes. A critical review of the book has late published "Financial Times". The paper found her a provocation. The Zionist Federation of large Britain and Ireland warned that the promotion of akin "may contribute to an increase in anti-Semitic incidents". The author of the book – according to the organization – is looking for cheaper sensations.
Rz: Who invented the judaic nation?
Jewish historians surviving in Germany in the second half of the 19th century. It was a period of improvement of modern nationalisms in Europe. The inhabitants of the Old Continent began to think in categories of cultural communities. The nations were born: German, Polish, French. judaic historians in Germany were people of their time and acted under the influence of dominant currents in them. They modeled themselves on the nationalists of European countries, mainly the Germans, and in this way Zionism was created, and with it the judaic people.
What do you mean, "he got up"?
It's due to the fact that he didn't be before.
After all, Jews have lived in Europe for 2 1000 years. Since they were exiled by the Romans from Palestine.
Nothing like that happened. It's a myth. The Romans did not expel Jews from Palestine, and the Jews did not come to Europe. The government of punishment that the Romans applied to the tamed nations did not foresee mass displacement. Expelling an full nation from its land is simply a very complicated operation, which only became possible in the 20th century with the improvement of the essential infrastructure, specified as railway lines. Even the 3rd Reich had considerable problems with specified operations, let alone the Roman Empire. The Romans, of course, were violent. They could have killed quite a few people, burned down the city, but not driven out full nations.
But it's a well-known fact...
Of course it's widely known. The exile was written in the 1948 declaration of Israel's independency and even on our bills. This is what the founding story of the State of Israel comes down to: they kicked us out of our land 2 1000 years ago, but now we have returned to receive it. Even I – a professional historian for respective decades – uncritically believed it. Until 10 years ago, I decided to analyse this problem...
What did it turn out to be?
I started with literature. To my surprise, there is not a single technological book on the expulsion of Jews from Palestine. Can you imagine that? 1 of the most crucial events in the past of the nation, and no 1 has written a historical survey about it!
That doesn't prove that's not true.
Let's be serious. We're dealing with a large hoax. The story of the expulsion of Jews is simply a product of Christian propaganda from the 4th century. It was to be a punishment for killing the boy of God. This is the story of Zionists in the 19th century. To build a nation, it was essential to make his memory. French nationalists appealed to the ancient Gauls, Italians to Julius Caesar, and German to the Teutons. The Jews set an example. They announced that the Romans had driven their ancestors out of Palestine, they had spread all over the earth, but now they must reunite into 1 nation.
But this is simply a fact – in Europe, Africa and Asia there were or inactive be aggregates of Jews.
Yes, but all these people are not descendants of the exiled Jews from Palestine. Hardly, in an cultural sense, they are not Jews. They are representatives of various another peoples and nations whose ancestors converted to Judaism centuries ago. The Jews were found all over the planet not by any mythical wandering of the peoples, but by mass conversion! Being judaic in Europe or Africa had nothing to do with nationality. Jews were just Jews of Judaism.
However, Judaism is closely linked to cultural identity.
Now it is. But it is adequate to survey ancient Arabic, early Christian, pagan, or judaic sources (with the Talmud at the head) to see that Judaism has long been a convert religion. From the second century before the birth of Christ until the 4th century of our era Judaism was the most crucial monotheistic religion in the world, whose goal was to gain as many fresh believers as possible. Convincing the Gentiles that they should believe in 1 God, which was done very effectively. And that's where so many Jews came from.
But most Jews in Poland looked completely different from Poles. This could not have been converted to Slav Judaism.
Not only individual people converted to Judaism, but – just as in the case of Christianity – full kingdoms. In Yemen or North Africa, for example. Similarly, it was with the Black Kingdom of the Chazars lying between the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea. In the 12th century, however, this converted Turkish people began to be pushed by the Tatars and Mongols of Gengis-chan to the west. They stopped in east Poland. The answer to your question is simple: 75 percent of Polish Jews look different than Poles, due to the fact that they are of Chazarski origin.
In Poland there is simply a belief that Jews came to us from the West, not from the East.
This explanation did not appear until the 1960s. Earlier, all large historians – from Ernest Renan to Marc Bloch – believed that Jews had come to Poland from Chazaria. This conviction was shared by Zionist researchers, even 1 of the most crucial judaic historians of the Icchak Shipper interwar from Warsaw. They were only incorrect about 1 thing. They claimed that the Jews first came to Chazaria from Palestine and then to Poland.
In Poland there is simply a belief that Jews settled in our home, fleeing persecution in the West. Poland was expected to be a stronghold of spiritual tolerance.
It's good to talk about it, and it's good to hear it. However, I fear that I must bring Poles to the ground. From a demographic point of view, it is impossible to explain the existence of specified a large population of Jews in Poland as a consequence of emigration from Germany or Spain. The communities there were besides tiny for that. By the way, do you know how German Jews hated Polish Jews? They called them contemptible Ost-Juden. They thought they were half-wild, dirty Asians they didn't want anything to do with. For example, my parents came from Łódź.
You said that the descendants of the Chazars were 75 percent of Polish Jews. And the rest?
My mom had 8 sisters. 5 had raven-black hair and Semitic features – like me – but 3 were blonde and had blue eyes. Many Jews from Poland inactive have a European appearance. Why? Well, the kingdom of the Chazars conquered the lands inhabited by the Slavs. Around Kiev. 25 percent of Polish Jews are descendants of these Slavs, who accepted Judaism from their Chazarian rulers.
Or is it the consequence of mixed marriages?
Of course, that happened too, but not on any large scale. In any case, during the business Germans had serious problems distinguishing Poles from Jews. My father told me that during the first months of the business that he survived in Łódź, Germans tried unsuccessfully to identify Jews in an eye. As a result, many Jews who had perfect Aryan features walked freely on the streets. Germany – although very much they wanted it – could not do the Holocaust in Poland on the basis of their racial theories, measurements and so on. The extermination of Jews in Poland was carried out on the basis of documents: censuses, identity cards, birth certificates.
If there was no specified event as the expulsion of Jews from Palestine, where did these Jews go?
Nowhere. They inactive live on their land in Palestine. The descendants of ancient Jews present are Palestinians. For these men were robbed after Palestine was conquered by the Arabs in the 7th century. They're not surprised. The Arabs have announced that anyone who considers Muhammad to be a prophet will be exempt from taxes. I think that if individual offered specified a thing to the Israelites today, possibly a large part of them would besides convert to the religion of Allah. (Laughter)
But Palestinians look like Arabs. They're no different from Egyptians or Iraqis.
It is hard for specified a tiny nation to keep cultural purity after so many centuries. The Palestinians frequently ask me: are we the real Jews? No, I answer, you're just their descendants. For you live in the place of the world, through which many conquerors passed and all left their sperm here. Arabian conquest was besides a biological conquest. However, this does not change the fact that a associate of Hamas of Hebron is more closely related to the ancient Jews than the Israeli soldier he's fighting.
The Palestinians aren't thrilled erstwhile you tell them there's judaic blood in their veins, are they?
They don't like to hear about it. (Laughter) I think that's the best proof that I'm not Hamas' agent, and I didn't compose my book for the Arabs.
Let us return to the question of judaic identity. The attitude to Palestine has always had a spiritual dimension.
Yes, and what is interesting in the spiritual judaic tradition, the expulsion had a metaphysical dimension alternatively than a real dimension. The other of “exile” has always been “rebuse”. It was only the Zionist revolution that transformed the eternal Judaism expression “expulsion” – “reception” to “expulsion” – “return to homeland”. For centuries, the Jews believed that they would return to the Promised Land only erstwhile Messiah came and the final judgement began. But they will return spiritually after death.
Is this why many spiritual Jews present do not support Zionism and the State of Israel?
He doesn't? They believe that his existence is an insult to God and blasphemy. Note that for centuries the Jews did not go to the Promised Land, it only began in the 20th century. After all, the Jews in Babylon lived 4 days in a camel from Palestine! And they didn't want to decision there.
So it all started with Zionism?
Yes, but even erstwhile this ideology already existed, most Jews did not burn to go to the mediate East. erstwhile large pogroms began in Russia in the late 1980s, the Jews became bitter. Some, like Rose Luxembourg, became revolutionaries, any supported social democracy, but most voted with their legs. Mass migration to America has begun. In the 1920s, however, the U.S. decided that they had adequate Jews, and closed their doors. Then there was no choice – people began settling in Palestine. Another wave came from Germany after Hitler came to power in the 1930s. And then it went away. planet War II, the Holocaust and the final triumph of Zionism, which was the uprising of Israel. By the way, have you always seen celebrated judaic films shot in fresh York City in the 1920s? What kind of country do you think was depicted in them as their beloved homeland, which country was spoken of with nostalgia and love?
I'm guessing not Palestine.
About Poland! It was a real homeland for the Jews. My father, dying in Israel, was talking about Poland! A country he missed and considered his actual homeland. This is what the old hebrew who died in the judaic state in the Promised Land spoke of Poland. I wonder what?
Your father survived the demolition in Poland?
No, in December 1939 he escaped from the German business region to Soviet. He took his parent and sister (I was born after the war in a transitional camp in Austria) and entered an area occupied by the Red Army. Interestingly, the father was a communist activist before the war, but the Soviets did not admit it. He was afraid the NKVD would execution him, as she murdered many another KPP activists in the 1930s. So my household saved themselves due to the fact that we were Jews, not communists. They took them to Uzbekistan and survived the war there.
I feel like sometimes you provoke your people. You erstwhile said that Israel's uprising was a rape.
I was then invited by the university in occupied territories. After the lecture, the Palestinians asked me why – although I am a supporter of specified historical explanation – I inactive justify the existence of the State of Israel. I said that even a kid born of rape has a right to life. Then the Palestinian newspapers described it, and there was quite a few noise. But I keep it up. I believe Israel has the right to be in the mediate East.
But not due to stories of returning to the land of the ancestors, but due to the fact that an effort to destruct it would lead to an unimaginable tragedy.
But the current form of this state does not suit you?
Nope. My objection is that Israel is officially called a judaic state, and on our flag is the star of David. This makes a 4th of the country's population [so-called Israeli Arabs, not confused with Palestinians surviving in occupied territories—red.] treated as second-class citizens. Israel should abandon its judaic character and become a secular state of Jews and Arabs.
Isn't that a utopia? Many Israelis believe that erstwhile a country is in a sea of hostile Arabs, it would mean suicide.
It's precisely the opposite! Israel awaits disaster if it does not change. Sooner or later there will be a mass revolt. It will not detonate in the Palestinian Authority, but in the north of Israel, in Galilee, the majority of which are Arabs. Galilee will be Israeli Kosovo. Kosovo began to separate from Serbia erstwhile the country became a tribal, nationalist country. Although inhabited by Albanians, they refused to join poor, late Albania and decided to be independent. The same will happen to Galilee. Israeli Arabs will not want to be part of the backward Palestinian Authority, but they will not last long in the judaic state.
Jews and Arabs would make a single state together? hatred is so great...
Look who's talking. Pole! Was there not much hatred between you and the Germans? And this conflict of yours didn't last 60 years, it lasted 1,000 years! And now someway you're large neighbors and you're in the same federation! And Poles suffered so much harm from the Germans. I am 1 of those Jews who did not forget that only 3 million Polish Jews died in Poland during the war, but besides 3 million Poles. Do you remember Claude Lanzmann’s movie “Szoah”? A nine-hour documentary, the majority recorded in Poland, and not a word about Poles dying in camps too.
What future awaits Israel?
Very grim. I fear that in the long word there is no chance that he would last in the mediate East as a judaic state. You gotta break off this nonsense and communicate with the Arabs. To yet admit the obvious: that we are a multicultural, multiethnic society, not any tribal monolith that can separate from the Arabs. Take a walk down Tel Aviv. What pluralism! How many human types! European Jews, mediate east Jews, Poles,
Russians, Ethiopians! And all these people keep saying that there's 1 blood in their veins.
Indeed, it is hard to believe that Ethiopian Jews were descendants of Jews from Palestine.
Hard to believe? They're black people! The worst part is that these grown men are totally serious, without blinking their eyes, claiming to be descendants of King Solomon. Jews who had been lost centuries ago in Africa, but all of their happiness was found and returned home. There are moments where I think the planet is crazy. 1 of mankind's top tragedies is that people look, but they don't see. We live in the fumes of ideology, which advance the most quaint theories, and we unreflexively accept them and consider them revealed truth.
Your explanation is besides controversial. You're even accused of anti-Semitism.
The policy of the State of Israel has contributed to a much greater increase in anti-Semitism than my book. erstwhile individual says something uncomfortable, it's easy to accuse him of anti-Semitism. I will not shut my mouth and will proceed to effort to overthrow the dangerous story that the Israelis are an cultural community. It drives you crazy to pretend that a 4th of the population of our country does not exist. How long can this illusion be maintained? I promised myself that I would not compromise with ideology, as many another researchers do. To talk with half a mouth or usage hints. I'm besides old for this. I'm telling you the fact due to the fact that it might be besides late soon. The same story from which Israel was born may prove to be a story that will destruct it.
Source: https://swolna-polska.pl/news/nation-zidowski-was-invented-2018-01(here no longer exists – DK)
“He who meets Jesus meets Judaism” and any consequences
With Jews and Jews, or with the "chosen people", most of us—and most of us are members of the abraham religion—have contact with almost all prayer—and that is the mastery of raving judaic Christianity around the world.
I propose that we answer the question, would we always hear of Jews and Jews, and would Zionism, the fight against “anti-Semitism”, hatred speech, judaic capitalism and western democracy – and present besides the threat of war – be oppressed by the Europeans of judaic Christianity? Many judaic Christians resent the claim that this is simply a judaic religion. But the god of Israel is not only a god of the Jews, it is the same god for all judaic Christianity, in which the most crucial figures are Jews and Jews - just look at the Bible.
However, both Jews and Christians have no sympathy for themselves, which, according to Christendom’s followers, is to prove their firmness. However, this antagonistic spiritual masterpiece, a superb design, was constructed for a reason by the creators of these religions, taking into account that the Jews (believers of Judaism) constitute here a spiritual aristocracy of monotheism, and the spiritual Christians plebs, to whom, in addition to religion in the god of Israel, they introduced a God's son, and all of whom would be of lesser gods (so-called saints). And since the spiritual plebs were full hosts, and the spiritual aristocracy was barely a handful, thanks to this plebs the hebrew could penetrate many societies with his circumstantial culture, and thanks to this antagonism he survived, did not blend into spiritual plebs. And so judaic Christianity became a transmission belt for widely understood Zionism and its practices present in politics and economics and unfortunately throughout Western culture, destroying the identity of the peoples of Europe.
One of the most prominent emperors of Rome, Nero, was the first to see the danger of judaic Christianity, which is why in literature and past he is portrayed as a moron and a scumbag. And for a reason, H. Sienkiewicz received a literary Nobel, and that is what the fresh contributed to. ‘Quo vadis‘.
Religion is an integral part of culture, these 2 concepts permeate 1 another and are linked, affect 1 another, and our “our” religion is, after all, judaic Christianity, which constitutes a abroad demolition of our full culture and a intellectual blockade of its sanity.
Unfortunately, JPII was right erstwhile in 1980 speaking to the judaic number of Mainz stated that: “He who meets Jesus meets Judaism”.
Dariusz Kosiur
