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Marius Oprea, historian: "Old Securitate decided to take over herself, directly. due to the fact that Georgescu is their man! The military structures in reserve and in retirement, most of which matured in the years of national communism, joined Calin Georgescu. We can talk about Georgesc's army"


"We do not yet have adequate data to indicate that this gentleman was part of the structures of the erstwhile Securitate"




Matei Udrea




Former members of the Securitate grouped in the associations of erstwhile intelligence service reservists, together with reserve members from the MapN staff ranks, organized in nearly paramilitary propaganda structures that support Calina Georgescu," says historian Marius Oprea in an interview for update24.ro. We are practically witnessing a fresh effort by the erstwhile Securyt to retake leadership in the Romanian state, which she controlled even after 1989, from hiding, and Calin Georgescu is simply a proponent of this occult force and its pole.

Emphasizing that there is no tangible evidence yet, Marius Oprea (61) says that "his language, including body language, if you can say so, is the language of an officer from the erstwhile Securitate. It's like seeing my ex-investigator in the individual of Calin Georgesc!".

The merger with the old Securitate was in any case natural due to the fact that the candidate promotes the value of national communism, even if he avoids an open confession to it.

In the womb of peculiar services there is now a conflict between the reaction camp, raised by the erstwhile Securitate in the communist mentality before 1989, and another camp with modern, Euro-Atlantic views. However, the second camp seems to be in a minority, as Marius Oprea points out.

Historian specializes in investigation on the erstwhile Securitate, which he knows very well.

He even wrote a PhD paper on "The function and Evolution of Securitate (1948-1964)". But he besides wrote "The Banality of Evil. A past of the Securities in Documents, 1949–1989" and coordinated the work of the volume "Securitists of the Party. PCR Personnel Service as Political Police".

"They rode on neo-legionism in a false way. This was a false goal thrown into the marketplace of misinformation by the services themselves, in order to divert attention from the real threat posed by soldiers raised in a national-communist spirit who, although in reserve and in retirement, are now trying to take power. In the vanguard of this army are the structures of the erstwhile Securitate"

Matei Udrea: Mr. Marius Oprea, thank you for your kindness in giving me this interview. I was struck by a text published by you on February 11 on your individual Facebook account, in which you state that this independent candidate, Calin Georgescu, has already won and the military has surrendered to Putin. What do you mean?

Mariusz Oprea: To the fact that this candidate is clearly promoskiewski, promoting our exit from NATO and EU structures. Moreover, in addition to the not yet proven external support yet, it primarily benefits from interior support. I am referring to the structures of reserve troops and troops at rest, especially those of peculiar services, especially those of the Romanian intelligence service and the military structures of the MapN in reserve. All these reservists, with fewer exceptions, joined Calina Georgesc due to the fact that his propaganda wakes up among those soldiers, most of whom matured during the years of national communism, a strong nostalgia behind the times passed. Drawing on these nostalgias, Georgescu attracted them rather easily, indicating the deficiency of adequate education on European and Euroatlantic values among the military. I'm not amazed even if I'm talking about Romanian intelligence services. For example, at the Intelligence Academy, the erstwhile Institute of Intelligence in the 1990s, I teach current officers from intelligence structures in Romania erstwhile Securitate officers with old states of communist political police. Both character and content, in quotes, are very close to national-communist values. Apart from the Marxist communist ideological side, nationalism, I would say that it was unleashed, it remained cultivated, with protochronic accents. likewise in the structures of the Ministry of Defence.

Or, so to speak, it produced on tape supporters of nationalism in Romanian force structures, supporters who, erstwhile placed in reserve and freed from coercion of non-violence, joined Calin Georgesc. This provides this candidate with an almost militarized propaganda structure in the territory. And the effects are visible to the bare eye. They are much stronger than the PSD, which has akin ones, I would say that the almost militarised organisational structure in this territory in terms of election campaigns. But Georgescu greatly surpassed this organization in terms of almost military run organization.



Matei Udrea: Mr. Oprea, erstwhile I listened to you, I thought of a question. Is Calin Georgescu a product of these reserve structures, or is the alliance of reserveists with Calin Georgescu a product of his campaign? In another words, did he make this support group, or did a reserve group make him?

Mariusz Oprea: The fact lies somewhere in the middle. We do not yet have adequate data to indicate that this gentleman was part of the structures of the erstwhile Securitate. However, I would say that his language, including body language, is the language of an officer from the erstwhile Securitate. I think I see my erstwhile investigator in the individual of Calin Georgesc! That's an impression! This is an impression, but if we look very closely at his speech, he practically promotes the value of national communism, pushing aside and not pedaling on communist ideology. But here we find all the another elements: nationalist protoprotectionism, populist language. Well, the Golden Age replaced the same slogan about the communist pedigree, in which he stated that "let's give power to the people", rather obscure elements, which besides match fragments of the PCR program to forge a multilaterally developed socialist society.

"We are besides witnessing a intergenerational war, between the old Securitate officers, who have gone to reserve, who are now retired, who have ruled Romanian political life for a long time from hiding, and somewhat newer Securitate officers, i.e. people in the service who are educated in spirit closer to European and Euroatlantic values. However, the others seem to be in minority"

Matei Udrea: I'd say even Lenin. There are certain elements, including this slogan with food, water, energy.

Mariusz Oprea: Yes, yes, yes, of course! There are many elements utilized by Calin Georgesc and taken from the old communist ideology. Of course, not named in the program, say, communist. However, this had an effect on the awakening of nostalgia. Whoever asks in Romania will say it was better before. I would say it's a general human instinct, due to course it was better before, that we were first and foremost younger. But if we are to honestly examine how we lived in times before 1989 and how we live now, regardless of the price increases we have been witnessing recently, we cannot have a date for comparison! First of all, we have an essential component, we have freedom! Freedom, which, as you can see, is even threatened by this candidate, whom I do not hesitate to consider to be, if not myself, a associate of Securitate, in any case very mentally akin to the erstwhile Securitate.

In my opinion, we are besides witnessing the intergenerational war, between the old Securitate officers who have turned to the reserve, who are now retired, who have commanded for a long time, led Romanian political life from the shadow, and somewhat more fresh Securitate officers, or people in the service who are educated in spirit closer to European and Euroatlantic values. However, the second seem to be in a number if I am to justice after the deficiency of reaction of Romanian law enforcement authorities to a run by a man called Calin Georgesc.

A number and, unfortunately, somewhat infunctional, if we besides take into account the fact that 1 of the unspoken criteria that worked erstwhile selecting personnel for intelligence services in Romania was membership of the large Securitate family. Overall, it was hard to hang in the file, whether you were a boy or a grandson of a erstwhile intelligence officer in connection with Romania's admission to these intelligence structures. That's what I'm telling you for certain due to the fact that I have plenty of examples! For this reason, we find all sorts of relatives, so to speak, between erstwhile safety officers and intelligence officers in Romania. Or grandchildren and children cannot condemn their parents for their political choices! And those parents who are presently in reserve, in military structures in reserve service, are highly active pro-George!

This is the deficiency of force structures action against this silent Georgesc army. This is simply a mentality that was established on the 1 hand, and on the another hand it is simply a fundamental fact: the old Securitate decided to take over herself, directly! That's what this is all about! due to the fact that Georgescu is their man! What did they say to each other? "Look, man, we're losing reins, we're losing the influence we had on the political parties through which we ruled with the shadow of Romania's fate. We are guided straight by our man!" I think that's what this is all about! And the heirs of Securitate now went to work, so to speak, to impose their political power straight in Romania.


Matei Udrea: You clearly predicted the following 2 questions I had: why the state does not respond to apparent public manipulation operations and how those who are in active secret service after you told me about the reserveists are setting up. So all I gotta do is...

Mariusz Oprea: See, I would like to tell you 1 thing. As long as the associations of reservists and retired workers are under the patronage of the service, and in these associations there are things like this forgotten motion to erect a troika in honor of the heroes of the Pitests branch of this Association of Reserves and Retired Personnel from SRI... erstwhile Colonel SRI Dumitru Sovie nothing happened, the troita is on her feet and there is room, if you can say so, for the Georgians from the structures of the retired from the structures of forces. I would like to tell you 1 more thing that should give us any thought.

Or there is simply a major problem with the legality of the functioning of the Romanian intelligence service for so long. due to the fact that the SRI Act makes it clear that people who were political policemen cannot belong to the SRI! How were they tested? Who checked them out?Who is liable for the fact that so many Romanian intelligence officers were actually Sadea Securitate officers?

Secure officers who now do not hesitate to join their candidate Calin Georgescu! And not just them! Think of the information structures that they managed and coordinated for so long! If we multiply, say, 10,000 soldiers and intelligence officers by those they commanded in time, we can talk about Georgesc's army!

"There is no uncertainty that Moscow tried to refuel through various channels and support what is happening. But there's another operator here that I can see no 1 thought of. What happened last week before the election even goes beyond the operational capabilities of Moscow's services. I think at the last minute Georgescu received an unexpected wind to the stern from China"


Matei Udrea: It's a very eloquent fresco that you do about what happens in Romania. From my observations, as you described it, it is an organization very close or very akin to what we have in Russia.

Mariusz Oprea: I would say that it is an almost paramilitary organization, to which, of course, these elements of painting concerning the army of Potra and so on come. They were pedaling on neo-legionism in a false way. In my opinion, it was a false target, thrown into the marketplace of misinformation by the services themselves. due to the fact that there's no real force in Romania for these neo-legislative groups. They are alternatively nostalgic, how many inactive live, or are descendants of nostalgics, erstwhile legionaries. It is actual that there is simply a cult of Zelea Codreanu, there are people who effort to appreciate it, but only from a historical point of view. If we're talking about political action, well, she doesn't truly exist! In my opinion, this is simply a false goal, aimed at diverting attention from the real threat posed by soldiers raised in a national-communist spirit, who, although in reserve and in retirement, are now trying to take over, and in the vanguard of this army are the structures of the erstwhile Securitate. But this time, they shook hands with the military! The erstwhile hostility between Dinamo and Steaua no longer exists. They're all in Georgesc's army!

Matei Udrea: From what you're saying, I realize that the operation that took place in November was not necessarily an operation of a abroad state, namely Russia, but an operation carried out by these structures.

Mariusz Oprea: This was, of course, besides associated with abroad support, due to the fact that what is happening in Romania is for Moscow. There is no uncertainty that Moscow is trying to fuel what is happening through various channels. But there's another operator here that I can see no 1 thought of. I think what happened last week before the elections even goes beyond the operational capabilities of Moscow's services. I think at the last minute Georgesc was hit by an unexpected wind to the stern from China. due to the fact that all these troll armies, which have been dormant for 4-5 years in different troll networks and nests, abruptly reactivated, can only belong to the network administrator, which in fact is Communist China!

I think that specified a candidate for president of Romania would like not only Moscow, but besides China. Or that shadow operator who gave me, so to speak, the last impulse to overtake Calin Georgesc may be China.

"I am not peculiarly afraid about the anticipation of reaching power of Calin Georgesc. erstwhile Romanians see that they do not improve the situation only by walking in the grass, breathing fresh air and drinking spring water, then Georgescu's political career will besides end! I don't think Georgescu will be able to finish his full word as president."

Matei Udrea: You spoke of the almost paramilitary support that Calin Georgescu receives from the old Securitate and the service associations. Hence his insolence in threats in the programs to which he is invited, and the support he receives from any tv stations?

Mariusz Oprea: Yes, yes! We are besides talking about fanatical enthusiasm, which sometimes erupts among Romanians, if we remember an army of housewives who applauded them like miners on 13-15 June 1990 and so on. In Romania's fresh history, there are many episodes where we see that enthusiasm can easy turn into fanaticism. However, as shortly as this fanaticism raises a man as rapidly as he can destruct him, he can turn against him. I'm not besides worried about the anticipation of Calin Georgesc coming to power! Because, being virtually without solutions that would lead to at least 1 tenth of his promises, his worship will rapidly be blown up by the greatness of the promises made! erstwhile Romanians see that they do not improve the situation only by walking in the grass, breathing fresh air and drinking spring water, then Georgescu's political career will besides end!

Matei Udrea: Can't it be besides late?

Mariusz Oprea: I don't think so. I don't think Georgescu can finish his full word as president.

Matei Udrea: But you see, he can win.

Mariusz Oprea: Yes, capable of winning, yes! But think that he has no majority in parliament, think that there are no tools to fulfill the chief promise he made, and that is, "Let us give authority to men!"

Matei Udrea: Well, he promised a lot... That he would dissolve the parties, that from the first day he would destruct those who are with Soros, that he would nationalize the factories, that he would expel corporations from the country, that he would shut down the hypermarkets, that he was moving the hemp manufacture and that he was exporting water. He promised a lot.

Mariusz Oprea: No way! He can't do that due to the fact that there's no government! Only erstwhile he forces an early election, which is very hard again, but even in these early elections he is not certain he will be able to control the government. And the government, which will decide on specified measures, believes that this will rapidly lead to the depreciation of the Romanian economy. According to my estimates, only the simple election of Calin Georgescu as president of Romania will almost double the lego-to-euro ratio in a fewer months. Or in a clear and direct manner, this will have an impact on Romania's economy and on the standard of living. Only his election as president! Structurally, the economy will not be able to change overnight. And even little the promise to give power to people.

"I think Trumpism, so applauded by conservative circles, has rather rapidly expired and is inactive weakening, at least in Europe. More and more conservative environments are trying to distance themselves from this Trump they discover with a slight amazement. Now Europe is preparing its weapons to counterattack in the face of this offensive of Trumpism in Europe, a Trumpism that looks very akin to Putinism to us!

Matei Udrea: I have 2 more questions. The first is, as you can see in this context, which you described to me, the apparent interference of the Trump administration in the elections in Romania, the emergence of influential people close to Trump's ellipse of power, Elon Musk's message and so on. We know that this is not a diplomatic customized around the world. Even if they are discontented, there are diplomatic channels, it is broadcast in different ways, different characters seem not to shout, compose on social networks...

Mariusz Oprea: I think Trumpism, so applauded by conservative circles, has weakened rather rapidly and is inactive weakening, at least in Europe. More and more conservative environments are trying to distance themselves from this Trump they discover with a slight amazement. Let us not forget that these currents – woke, political correctness and others – came to us from the United States to Europe! Now we see Trump blaming Europe for this. Soros doesn't live in Europe! Trump's decision on Europe is unjustified. To cultivate a kind akin to that of him and to cultivate authoritarian leaders in European countries, I do not think it will win at all. due to the fact that specified leaders, with the exception of Viktor Orbán – who was able to conduct a policy, in my opinion, highly beneficial for Hungary in relation to Brussels and in relations with the United States – are not. There are no Victor Orbán clones that Trump could support in coming to power in European countries. The leader of German AfD or Romanian Calin Georgescu are far from the character of Orbán. And all of Trump's attempts to play any function on the European political scene were, so to speak, blown up by Vice president Vance's speech in Munich, which was a kind of unveiling of plans. Or now Europe is preparing its weapons to counterattack in the face of this offensive of Trumpism in Europe, Trumpism, which for us is very akin to putinism!

Matei Udrea: Mr Oprea, 1 last question. I have seen that in your posts you are critical of the European Union. What do you think the chances are that in the future, say half or in a decade or two, the United States of Europe will be implemented? For the current European Union to evolve towards a national structure specified as the United States of America.

Mariusz Oprea: This would mean an even greater resignation from sovereignty, which I do not think would be possible in the close or average future. But what is happening and what will happen, because, as I said, I always see the full side of the glass, the European Union will cease to be something like a fresh USSR, as my late friend Vladimir Bukowski said. I mean all this avalanche of overnorm coming from Brussels and stupidity like cockroach flour or deafening a pig and so on. Any specified aberrations that do not take into account the specifics of any country erstwhile thought of by the armada of very well-paid and highly many bureaucrats in Brussels, I think that specified directives will shortly be history. Because, if they do not reform, the European Union and the bureaucrats in Brussels can be in different ways, but they are not stupid, they realize that under this increasing influence of sovereignty in Europe there will be a series of exits from the European Union. Or I can't hazard that!

What I see is simply a relaxation, so to speak, of European standards, and in peculiar of the treatment of economically little powerful countries in Europe. In what is presently happening at European level, I see a better chance for Romania. Many years ago, let's say a year before the pandemic, even during the pandemic, can we imagine a Romanian Prime Minister who is calmly going to Brussels to negociate PNRRs and milestones in the PNRRs, which we always owe and cannot fulfill and receive almost everything he asked for?

"I think we request a lesson like Calin Georgescu to get the last remnant of communism out of our bones. If we don't have a mirror, we have Georgesc! And after Georgesc everything will be normal, in my opinion. So all evil for good!"


Matei Udrea: Yes, from this point of view it is simply a change of attitude.

Mariusz Oprea: This is simply a greater relaxation, a renunciation of a full scope of customs and nonsense, which are included in the Brussels government itself. From dealing with formulas that no longer contain Mom and Dad and so on. All sorts of things related to progressiveism, let's say, almost cruel, imported by Brussels from major intelligence centers in the United States, from large American universities. Where and there this era ended erstwhile progressiveism gave way to anti-Semitism.

Matei Udrea: Yeah, we remember. After 7 October 2023.

Mariusz Oprea: On the occasion of the Gaza conflict. So it's over! due to the fact that the judaic financiers of these progressive currents took a step backwards.

Matei Udrea: They were a small scared, right.

Mariusz Oprea: In this context, from or without Georgesc, Romania will not endure besides much, in my opinion. I think we request this Calin Georgescu-style lesson to get the last remnant of communism out of our bones. If we don't have a mirror, we have Georgesc! And after Georgesc everything will be normal, in my opinion. So all evil for good!

Matei Udrea: Thank you for this optimism at the very end of the discussion.

Mariusz Oprea: Only good!

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Right Eye: I call on my fellow countrymen to look into their eyes and realize what this game is about.