Guest of Thursday's program "Szubartovich's viewpoint” was Jacek Karnowski – Deputy Minister of Funds and Regional Policy, as well as 1 of the persons who was watched by the programme Pegasus.
– I justice the prosecution's actions on this substance very well and very high. I think there will shortly be serious charges against any PiS politicians," said the politician, citing his access to the case file.
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Karnowski recalled that Zbigniew Ziobro was then Minister of Justice and liable for Justice Fund. – Out of this money was bought (Pegasus), despite even Mr Morawiecki – he said.
The lead asked if Ziobro was to be charged. – Absolutely to me Ziobro, who allowed to acquisition this (software) from the Justice Fund, but above all Kamiński and the companywho were wearing those wiretaps," he replied.
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According to the politician, they cheated on the courts. – I can say this with full responsibility, They cheated and misled the courts. besides sometimes there is simply a private interest active – the Deputy Minister believes.
– Sometimes, like Al Capone, he stayed for taxes. Mr. Romanowski got paid for embezzling that money, Mr. Matecki got there too. envelopesreceived from the Justice Fund – he added.
Pegasus Commission. Jacek Karnowski indicated “the most crucial finding”
Jacek Karnowski stressed that the Pegasus investigation is “molecular” due to the fact that it concerns software that is complicated. Moreover, its action was not only about Poland but besides about countries outside the EU.
In his opinion, the Pegagsua committee "is serious", and as 1 of its accomplishments he mentioned the statements of the president of the Law and Justice.
– I have watched very well the hearings of Mr Kaczyński. That's where those words came out against Brejza, father and son, there. Kaczyński admitted that he knew that Pegasus was being bought – reminded
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As he said, One of the most crucial thingsWhich the committee has reached. “Everyone would anticipate fireworks, and sometimes the most crucial are 2 sentences,” he stressed.
He besides referred to the situation in which, despite being brought by the police, Zbigniew Ziobro was not interviewed.
– If the committee hadn't signals from policeThat Mr. Ziobro can only be until 10:30Maybe she'd wait. due to the fact that she should most likely wait, but on the another hand, how it is described that the erstwhile Minister of Justice is mocking the committee – he pointed out.
