"The thing is: Ziobro wants to avoid the image of a defeated politician at all costs

Zbigniew Ziobro in the United States, Donald Trump's reluctance to extradite him, increasing tensions in the Law and Justice Party, and the political game of succession after Jaroslaw Kaczynski - these were discussed by Marzena Tabor-Olszewska and Jacek Nizinkiewicz in the podcast "The Thing in It." The conversation besides includes themes of the wellness care crisis, the political mistakes of Donald Tusk's government, and a possible fresh deal on the right involving Mateusz Morawiecki and Karol Nawrocki.