‘Tusk makes beautiful promises, and on the another hand leads a brutal action to deal with those who have done precisely specified a policy before," he says in an interview with the portal inPoliticy.pl MP Jacek Sasin. erstwhile Deputy Prime Minister and Head of the MAP absolutely does not believe Donald Tusk, who announced the repolonization of the Polish economy, marketplace and capital during the European Forum of fresh Ideas. The managers of state-owned companies would now care not so much about profits, but about strategically understood safety of Poles. “When Tusk says something, it should be read vice versa. These people are leading us towards disaster," our interviewer estimates.
wPoliticy.pl: Donald Tusk announces the repolonization of the Polish economy, marketplace and capital. The managers of state-owned companies are expected to support the public and only defender profits. Is hell frozen?
Mr Jacek Sasin, erstwhile Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for State Assets: Donald Tusk “reliable” as always. erstwhile he says something, you should read it the another way around. After all, we already have experience with Donald Tuski, as a large privatiser, a man who sold out large Polish companies for abroad capital. For his first rule, even a queue was privatized for Kasprowy Wierch, which we later bought back. We remember his plans to privatize Lotus and Flight. It was then that Donald Tusk spoke of seeing no reason to discriminate against any capital, and he said so in the context of Russian capital, which could actively participate in the privatisation of the Polish economy.
Does Prime Minister Tusk hope for a short memory of Poles?
There is no request to scope as far back as his first governments to see his actual face. Just callback his announcements, which came even a year and a half ago, before he took over, erstwhile he and the politicians of his organization spoke of the request to privatize state-owned companies. They talked about selling Orlen, which they even wanted to divide into smaller businesses to make it easier to sell. They just said that the treasury companies should cease to exist, that private capital would be the capital that would better manage them. It is known that in Polish conditions, this private capital, which would take over the companies of the State Treasury, would be abroad capital. In Poland there is no Polish capital so that it can privatise strategical companies specified as Orlen, Azota, KGHM or energy companies. This shows that these sale plans for abroad capital are inactive alive, these are fresh plans, they have their historical justification.
Maybe that'll change now.
Very disturbing announcements besides appeared in fresh months, which is erstwhile Donald Tusk was Prime Minister. I will remind, for example, the discussions and statements of the current Minister of State Assets Jakub Jaworowski, who discussed the sale of PKO S.A. At that time there were arguments that states were besides much and Polish property in the state sector, too, that the sale of PZU S.A. should be considered. Today, the state's treasury companies are scrubbing down and making losses. A drastic example is the Jastrzębska Węglowa Company, which last year recorded over PLN 6 billion in losses, while inactive 2 years ago, it was PLN 6 billion, but profit. The scale of the financial disaster we face in state-owned companies is frightening. The financial results of PKN Orlen published present indicate a multiple decrease in the profit of the company. Last year the profit of Orlen amounted to about PLN 1.4 billion, i.e. by PLN 19.6 billion little than in 2023. The consequence of the radically deteriorating condition of our fuel giant may be its privatisation. Similarly, it will be with another large state-owned companies which will not be able to function in a minute without a powerful capital injection. Again, there will be arguments that this capital must be abroad capital.
So why specified a extremist change in communicative and concern about the Polish economy of the Prime Minister's voice?
What Tusk says present is only prepared for the election run by narrative. It was started by Rafał Trzaskowski, who tried to introduce himself as the 1 who would support Polish companies, the Polish economy. He did this badly and ineptly due to the fact that he chose Prince Polo waffles, produced by Americans and pickles, produced by a German company as symbols. Now Tusk has rushed to his rescue and tries to strengthen this message, which is simply a message addressed to those voters, for whom strong Polish economy and strong Polish companies are a large value. The rulers effort to deceive these people again, they want to get patriotic Poles to vote for Rafał Trzaskowski in the presidential election. They voted for a man who never hid his attitude towards Polish companies. Have we forgotten how he called for the immediate closure of the mines and plants in Turów? erstwhile did he say he was an opponent of CPK due to the fact that we have an airport in Berlin? What have they done with the ambitious task of the Central Communication Port? He ended up in a basket.
So it's not rember, it's calculating?
These people are leading us towards disaster due to the fact that they are politicians who openly and openly support their decisions with a faster implementation of the Green Deal. They wrote it in these priorities of the Polish Presidency. Green governance is simply a way leading straight to the eradication of the European economy, especially our industry. This will hit Polish companies, energy companies, chemical industry. Already today, the Azota Group is barely dead due to very advanced energy prices. This is all happening right in front of us. Tusk and Trzaskowski are not people who will rebuild the Polish economy and manufacture and conduct repolonization. These are the people who are the undertakers of the Polish economy, the undertakers of our manufacture and Polish property in the economy.
Described present by the Prime Minister's state-owned company management policy, compose out the direction the United Right Government has been following over the last years. Nothing convinces you?
In fact, under any word Tusk has spoken today, I could sign, only that it is simply a verbal sphere, without any reality behind it. These are the things I said many times erstwhile I was Minister of State Assets. At the time, I was heavy attacked by Tusk. Our managers were attacked just due to the fact that that's precisely how they understood the function of state-owned companies. They acted in accordance with the rule that the state's treasury companies are not just money-making machines, but the tools that you usage to take care of the strategical areas of the Polish economy, specified as energy, mining industry, financial sector, banks or insurance. The Government of the United Right cared about this economical cycle of the state and was a warrant of safety in many areas of the life of Poles.
But you were not praised for that.
Tusk attacked us for utilizing state-owned companies to stabilise the situation during subsequent crises. This is how we acted in the COVID-19 pandemic, so it was during the energy crisis caused by Russia's aggression against Ukraine. At the time, state companies, especially PKN Orlen, contributed billions of PLN to frost energy prices. And as debt instalments grew, state banks were leaders in curbing the negative effects of these phenomena, raising interest rates on investments and putting a tiny amount of money on credit holidays for consumers. This is how state-owned companies should operate, that's how they work.
How do you take on the constant pursuit of “investigative” fresh power for people who have pursued specified a concept of social marketplace economy, as enshrined in the Constitution?
Let's take a look at what the current power has been doing for the past fewer months. The managers who had just pursued specified a policy pursued precisely for participating in this kind of state action. An example is arranged by the ruling hucpa around the participation of state-owned companies in the fight against the pandemic. Continuous hearings, subpoenas to the D.A. sent to company presidents, board members, elder and lower managers in almost all case. Harassing these people by charging them. The symbol of specified actions is the pursuit of erstwhile president of Orlen Daniel Obietek for the fact that the gasoline in his day was cheaper than what they are now able to enforce the current rulers. And they promised gasoline for PLN 5.19.
To share with someone, you gotta have something first.
During our rule, state-owned companies were besides a immense flywheel for the sphere of social activity. We supported cultural, social and sporting initiatives. Not only athletes could number on the help, but besides volunteer fire departments, or agrarian housewives. The money flowed across a wide stream from state-owned companies that shared with the profit society. And that's what they're accusing us of now, and now Tusk's coming out and saying that profit isn't the most crucial thing. To share the profit, we request to work out it first, remember that we are talking about stock companies to a large extent. They must stay on the market, they must carry out much needed strategical investments. Now all this is completely lying, the companies have ceased any investment activity.
How about this hunt ends now?
For the fact that in our times companies of the state Treasury did not plunder Poles, we are inactive under attack today. They didn't hit their pockets hard, but they shared the profits. Today, this is the main reason for our attack and our run of feeling, the prosecution charges, the harassment of those who managed these companies, even destroying their families and loved ones. This must be borne in mind, especially in the context of this message by Tusk, who makes beautiful promises and, on the another hand, leads a brutal action to deal with those who have done precisely that policy before.
Thank you for talking to me.
