Anna Dryjanska: Would you examine Jarosław Kaczyński, as he would like to examine transgender persons?
Robert Biedron: Yes, Kaczyński should be examined. No 1 mentally stable, emotionally, morally, reaches bottom and makes real people scapegoats. This needs to be examined!
Anyway, let me remind you that erstwhile a justice sent Kaczyński for psychiatric examinations. possibly it's a shame they never made it.
The lives and suffering of circumstantial citizens are at stake. LGBT people pass in Poland! We are the most homophobic country in the European Union.
When Kaczyński can't handle it, he starts to simmer. This time he decided he'd be snoring for trans. Lech Kaczyński falls in his grave, listening to Jarosław.
The same Lech Kaczyński who issued an illegal ban on the Equality Parade in Warsaw in 2005?
Lech Kaczyński was changing – most likely influenced by his wife. I saw him evolve. Lech recognized Ewa Holuszko, a heroic oppositionist of the times of the Polish People's Republic, a transgender person. I want to believe he wouldn't let his brother talk specified nonsense.
Regrettably, feeling is an effective way of doing politics. And you don't even gotta bring up the 3rd Reich. There's quite a few earlier and later evidence that politicians feel good about themselves.
But he has his victims!
Aren't you afraid Kaczyński will succeed? That he would effectively distract people from the price erstwhile he did the games and threw transgenders on the arena?
Of course I'm scared. That is why I call on colleagues of all political options to be solid. As we have defended the courts, as we have defended teachers or nurses, so we must now make a solidarity front. No compromises.
The left always stands up for the minority, but she shouldn't do it alone. present Kaczyński comes for trans people, and next day he will scope for further social groups due to the fact that the feeling requires constant throwing into the oven.
Kaczyński is going over the bodies to the target, and the task of the full democratic opposition is not only not to let him scope it, but besides to minimize the number of casualties.
And it's crucial that we realize that the president of the Law and Justice is going to be pulling LGBT people out of the hat as long as he knows he can keep the fear alive. It is our work to do what has been done in all average country in the world: in all area of our lives, recognise equal rights and opportunities for LGBT people. End of story.
If we call Polish lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgenders a "substitute theme", if we key and debate referendums, if we say they owe themselves... Then Kaczyński will have an excuse and a tool.
How do you imagine this solidarity front?
We must exposure the hypocrisy and cynicism of Kaczyński. We gotta repeat: "Kaczyński says this due to the fact that you can no longer buy a full lump of butter, only half, you cannot buy a prescription, you cannot pay bills; erstwhile Kaczyński fails to cope with the expensive, he tries to distract us, but Poles do not geese, and, paraphrase, have their minds."
The 20th anniversary of your relation with Krzysztof Śmiszek late passed. By law, you're inactive strangers to each other. How do you feel about that?
Wrong. That's fucking unfair. You know what the most annoying thing is? The fact that even though we came out of the closet, even though you can see us, nothing changes.
If only people weren't aware of all this discrimination, all the unnecessary problems we gotta face all day... But they're aware.
We want to live normal, but the law is against us.
What do you mean, normal?
I mean, so that Smiley doesn't gotta worry all time I leave home, that if anything happens to me and I go to the infirmary unconscious, he won't be able to make a decision about my treatment.
I mean, so I don't gotta worry about whether or not I die, he can take care of the burial.
Conservatives say go to the notary.
Let them go to the notary. Better yet, they'll change jobs and take credit. You can't settle taxation issues with a notary, and you can't tell in your will who to bury you. So thank you very much for the "good" advice, but the solution is already: matrimony equality. And you've got to fucking bring her in. Now!
We are at an age that we are starting to think more and more about the ultimate. We're not going anywhere, but it's very crucial for us to kind out these issues.
You can't plan random events. any things just happen. And then we'll stay on ice due to the fact that you think we're second-class citizens. We're expected to pay taxes, but we can't usage human rights. How much longer?!
We don't have children with Kirzyska, though we utilized to. Do you know what happens to a rainbow couple's kid in Poland erstwhile a biological parent dies? It is taken from a parent or father and sent to relatives of the deceased!
Terrible.
The reality we live in is terrible. Hundreds of thousands of families in Poland are invisible to the country, which closes their eyes, closes their ears and pretends that we are strangers to each other. And it hurts: children, adults, everyone.
On Twitter, I read that you have nothing to complain about due to the fact that you are a Euro MP and Krzysztof Śmiszek is simply a Member, so you are privileged.
We can't get married the same way as a teacher and baker or a salesman and a taxi driver. According to unfair law, we are strangers to each other. This is simply a state lie that affects all rainbow couple and household in Poland.
You can be a Euro MP, you can be the leader of the 3rd political force in Poland, you can be in a relation for 20 years, but if you are a LGBT person, you will inactive be a second-class citizen.
Every day we tremble about tomorrow. To say it's unfair and cruel is not to say anything.
When you walk with your husband in Warsaw, do you hold your hand?
Nope. We're not suicidal.
What about Brussels?
Neither, due to the fact that we're trained like Pavlov's dogs.
What incentives?
Beaten. Spitting. Names.
We only hug at home.
You wouldn't be attacked in the capital of Belgium for that, would you?
It's the trauma you have inside you. And it doesn't substance that you're a strong, outcast guy. This fear is terrible. Now imagine how frightened the average LGBT individual in Poland is!
Gays can hide. They can pretend to be straight. It's a man who destroys and torments, but it can be done. But transgenders whose features indicate they're in transit... In our country, they're treated horriblely. And for what? For being themselves and daring to leave the house.
I am full of admiration and respect for these people, I want to support them in all form possible.
I believe that if individual calls himself a politician and wants to defeat the undemocratic PiS, he should never say that he is not a rainbow revolutionary.
During Campus, Poland Donald Tusk said that 1 of his first decisions after winning the election would be approval for partnerships.
For what? It's 2022, not the 1990s! I'm sick of being treated like a typical of a worse sort. I want matrimony equality! The full partnership thing? You can't do that to people!
I want my country to treat me like any another citizen. This is demanded by hundreds of thousands of people who go in Parade of Equality – not only in Warsaw and Poznań, but besides in Sanok and Milicz.
I can't imagine that in the next parliament we're talking about the relation itself. And I can't imagine having to go out on the street for the next 30 years to make Tusk see that I'm human like everybody else, so possibly it's worth acknowledging my rights.
Maybe he'll see it in the parliament. Co-chair of Włodzimierz Czarzasty announces that after the election fresh Left will be a coalition of Platform.
Common governance is simply a beautiful good idea. And that is why the Left is needed: to fight for specified matters as matrimony equality or the right to live.
There is simply a increasing debate on both issues, and we have been taking part in it for years. We've been talking about this for years. due to the fact that Donald Tusk won't do it.
You don't trust Tusk?
It's not a question of trust, but of the sensitivity we've had for years, and he's late said he has.
So it's just matrimony equality?
How else? We don't want prostheses, we don't want to pretend that someone's doing us favors, we don't agree to any compromises.
For almost 30 years, women in Poland have been trained by a lie about the abortion compromise. Women's hell continues and gets worse. We're not going to be fooled by that. There's no specified thing as an abortion compromise, and there's no specified thing as a partnership compromise. There's equality.
The State must recognise that people have the right to make decisions. Fuck "compromise"!
Will you cut out the penultimate word in the authorization?
Nope. I'm almost 50. I've been fighting for fundamental rights for 30 years. I think I'd gotta wait another 30 years for a substitute... I'm most likely not gonna make it to 80. I do not want to die in Poland, which will throw me an equal prosthesis!
I want to be a full citizen. I want to be buried with Smiley and have written on my grave that we were married. I want equality.
Let's go to the fresh Left. What do you think of Parliamentary PPS: Joanna Senyszyn, Andrzej Rozenek, Gabriela Morawska-Stanecka, Robert Kwiatkowski, Wojciech Nejnej?
They made a decision to leave and left. I realize individual might want to sit at Donald Tusk's right, but then you can't pretend to be PPS. Liberals shouldn't dress like socialists.
I don't want to take care of them. I like to pay attention to affirmative things: increasing Left polls, successful merger of 3 generations of politicians, phenomenal speeches by Joanna Scheering-Wielgus, Catherine Kotuli... erstwhile I look at all this, I feel proud.
I know the Left wins erstwhile she's united, and she loses erstwhile she's divided. It's a lesson I erstwhile had to realize and learn.
Where is Jarosław Kaczyński's place after losing the election?
At home in Żoliborz. If individual doesn't know if he's in Inowrocław or Włocławek, confuses Brejza with Mejza, he puts his watch on backwards... Jarosław Kaczyński was liable for our safety until recently, and even a cat would not trust him.
Kaczyński's cat can take care of.
But I wouldn't trust him, due to the fact that I'd be afraid he'd mistake him for a dog.
Kaczyński should remainder from politics. He lives demons of the past, creates conflicts in Poland, which retreat our country, do not let him to develop. If anyone wants to live in a scan, go ahead. But don't make others do it.
The PiS continues to evidence support at around 35 percent. That's the most of all the parties.
Because he manages fear and divides people. The ancient Romans followed the rule of "share and rule." Machiavelli described specified methods in the Prince. Kaczyński's dust didn't make it up.
He didn't have to. He inactive divides and rules. And the opposition is... well, in opposition.
We live in a country where there's bloody polarization, and by 2 guys who are the bosses of the biggest party, it's getting stronger and stronger. I have the impression that Kaczyński and Tusk do not focus on Poland's future, but mainly on themselves and their ego.
We request to get out of this sterile argument, due to the fact that it's not going to cure these guys' complexes or improve the situation in the country. On the contrary, Kaczyński can scare any Poles with another Poles, for example trans people.
You gotta look to the future, rebuild the community. It's slow. The Left tames people with certain themes, and then the Platform copies our narrative. Like the right to an apartment. Even Tusk said surviving is simply a human right. So is the Holovnia.
How do you feel about that?
Fantastic! That's why I'm fighting!
Don't you blame them for taking your postulates?
Let them choice it up. We're the ones who are credible due to the fact that we've been talking about this for years.
In 2019, erstwhile we announced in Torwara that we had to decision distant from coal, we were all ridiculed from right to left. We were attacked from all sides: that it was a dream, populism, deficiency of realism... And today? It's obvious!
The same is actual of another issues that go to mainstream. We want this to happen due to the fact that then we can yet solve problems. Therefore, we should let in any fresh air and perceive to this "left" youth who goes out into the street and says that living, abortion, matrimony equality are human rights.
We defend the Constitution from the first to the last article, don't halt at free courts. If Donald Tusk is talking about defending the Constitution, he should do it from beginning to end.
Article 18. The Constitution reads as follows: matrimony as a union of women and men, family, motherhood and parenthood are protected and cared for by the Republic of Poland. erstwhile again, matrimony as a union between a female and a man.
Well? For matrimony equality, that means only that single-sex matrimony does not should be protected by the state. Prof. Ewa Łętowska has been talking about this for years.
What would you say to the leader of the Civic Platform?
I'd tell Tusk the Left is needed to rule. And in order for the Left to be in government, it should be in parliament first, so it shouldn't be attacking the Left. Until recently, he did it all the time.
It wasn't only stupid, it was dangerous, due to the fact that if we were pushed out of the Sejm, a fewer million votes would be in vain, and that would strengthen the Law and Justice. D’Hondt is relentless. This is the first case.
The second point: The Left must be in government to push things forward so that what we agreed in the Constitution exists not only on paper. The Left guarantees that the right to housing, the rights of women, the right to good education, wellness protection, are the things that Parliament will take seriously.
I see 3 ifs. If the opposition wins the election and if the Platform continues to be the strongest party, then even if you co-ordinate, you will not vote for equality in marriage. No legal abortion available either.
That's what coalition negotiations are for. At the first meeting, you'll gotta sit down and say, "These are our terms." Neoliberals request our left-wing sensitivity, due to the fact that that is what voters of the Civic Platform are increasingly expecting.
As left-wingers, we will remind them of the importance of a strong state, a Scandinavian model that creates a solid safety network for citizens' taxes and offers high-level public services.
There are those who claim that left-wing demands are weakened by the controversial image of Marty Lempart. What do you say?
Marta Lempart has no ID on the Left, as far as I know.
Besides: Marta Lempart is the personification of anger and rebellion, which sits in the hearts of millions of Poles and Poles! I'd like to shout out for myself what has the courage to shout out Martha Lempart at protests, but since I'm already a politician under a tie, there are any things I don't want to do. And she has the courage, and for that I admire her.
Once upon a time, erstwhile we were organizing the first Parades of Equality, there were akin reservations. any people wanted us to exclude any of our colleagues due to the fact that they supposedly don't look man enough, and that's gonna discourage people from the cause. There have been opinions that trans people "are hurting our image" that during the Parade they should be at home...
Wow.
I did. There were voices in our environment! Would anyone, but Kaczyński, think of saying something like this today? It's the same with Marta Lempart today. Someone's gonna be ashamed someday for trying to exclude her from public space.
She has the right, and it's effective. She brought millions of people to the streets. He fights "for our freedom and yours," including those who criticize it, whether they want to keep it warm. Protests can't be polite, due to the fact that then they're not protests.
I say this as a erstwhile social activist, an activist who fucked with the police, with politicians who got the stones that screamed, who utilized uncensored words... I utilized to be Marta Lempart. And I'm arrogant of it!
I don't get the people who attack her for what she is. Do you want to be tamed and fight for our rights in a suit or a suit? Do it! Show me your effectiveness. Lead millions of people. Prove you can do better than Marty Lempart, I'll applaud you too.
I won't cry about writing on walls either. The wall can't feel. A female dying begging to halt her pregnancy, who's scared, crying, calling her mother... She does. A female does.
Instead of lamenting the anointed wall, it is worth considering why people compose on it.
Opposition supporters anticipate the settlement of the current power, but any of them do not believe you will. How do you comment?
I can't imagine a situation where Kaczyński and his friends won't be held responsible. There is no way that a fistful of parliamentarians are stuck in an elevator or a toilet before voting. Society wouldn't forgive us.
It can't be that a boy who steals a wafer goes to jail, and a politician who breaks the law lands on the jury.
What would you say to Jarosław Kaczynski?
He's not listening anyway. Even if his coworkers print out the Internet, he won't read it.
But say he reads it. What do you gotta say to him?
I repeat after Marta Lempart: she must go.
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