Nawrocki is chasing Trzaskovsky? "We have interior polls. It will be interesting”

Marta Kurzyńska, Interia: Have you already analyzed in the staff the minute after the debate in Koński and checked what could have been done better?

Andrzej Plumka, PiS, associate of Karol Nawrocki's electoral staff: – It is natural that we analyse the 2 debates that took place in Konski, we are preparing for the next. We have a clear plan.

– all day hard work, even better work. We won't waste an hr of this campaign. Karol Nawrocki shows the determination to look for another candidates.

Everyone seems determined.

– Our candidate has travelled over 270 counties. By the end of the campaign, we will visit all county. He's been working hard since the launch announcement. Put together the activity of lazy Raphael. Incomparable. Besides, what happened in Koński is the breakthrough of this campaign.

But how do you justice your candidate? A good selectioner not only praises his players, but sees missed chances.

– Nawrocks without appeal won this debate. He was the only 1 to show the presidential format, he was calm, substantive, he had a good sound beat, he scored Rafał Trzaskowski, and he first chickened out due to the fact that he did not appear at the first debate on tv Republic, and in the debate organized by his staff he reacted highly aggressively.

What would you change in Karol Nawrocki's speech? 'Cause in a minute, I'm gonna say pride is walking before it falls.

– There is 1 regulation in the staff: humility, humility and humility again. Plus hard work. Charles from the debate for the debate grew. We saw it at those hundreds of meetings, and the debate has made it clear. He rapidly and wisely draws conclusions, an crucial skill for politics, especially in the campaign.

Is he inactive learning like president Andrzej Duda?

– That's not the point. In Konski it was clear that from a minute to a minute Karol Nawrocki was better. Rafal Trzaskowski cannot be said, and he has been in national politics for 15 years. He's showing any kind of cosmic regression.

But would you advise Charles Nawrock to name the leaders of our closest neighbours?

– I'm skeptical to make these pseudo quizzes out of serious debates. The gentlemen do not start in “One of ten” but debate the future of Poland. Marshal Holovnia invented a bon mot and thought that Charles Nawrocki would enter his game, and he responded to the marshal to be the second individual in the state serious. The Marshal did not realize that the "Mam Talent" times were over. The president of the Republic expects a clear imagination of the presidency, not questioning counter-candidates. I wonder if the marshal knows who the talker of Parliament is in Ghana or Egypt.

Ghana and Egypt are not the closest neighbors.

– We can ask for another countries, but this is not a clou of the presidential debate. I think your Field Marshal Holovnia has hurt those questions more than they helped. It was Karol Nawrocki who showed the presidential format, calm and calm.

So there is no reflection that could be better.

– We carefully analyse the debate and draw conclusions. Which worked out well, and what to grind. It was Rafał Trzaskowski who compromised himself by talking about urban telecommunications. It is impossible not to see this analogy between Trzaskowski and Komorowski. They're truly besides akin to sleep peacefully. They're both detached from reality. Rafał Trzaskowski, who creates himself as a large expert in abroad policy, says that waffles are a symbol of our cooperation with the US. Not atoms, not gas contracts, not arms contracts. It's Bronisław Komorowski squared.

Staff of Rafał Trzaskowski say he won.

– He was truly highly nervous, red, lost his threads, tangled up, came down on individual issues. He was just unprepared, with all question, alternatively of better, it was worse. However, it is simply a large skill to be inferior to Joanna Senyszyn in a debate organised by his staff. He lost to a mole even though he was in greenhouse conditions. By the way, I believe there's been a breach of electoral law.

– TVP organized a broadcast that costs large millions. All of this should be financed by the Trzaskov Committee. There was no visible information on the screen that these events were financed from the Trzask Electoral Committee. It's a situation that didn't happen after 1989. Even Field Marshal Holovnia, the acuszer Tusk was sick of this hypocrisy. area rental, financial flows, the function of TVP in the liquidation in setting up this performance with the staff of Trzaskowski – the management of TVP Mr Grzegorz Sajór and Tomasz Sygut proved to be very reckless, after all, they can be punished. The case is very serious. The platform can pay for this by losing the subsidy.

Marshal Holovnia besides scored Karol Nawrocki. moving distant from the answer wasn't a strategical mistake?

– Marshal Holovnia wanted to shine and repeat the old trick – he failed. He was brought to the ground level by Nawrocki. Another subject is that before the debate, Holownia learned these names. But if you would show him pictures of these politicians or ask him how a corvette is different from a frigate. The seriousness of your marshal was clearly lacking. Especially in this first debate – he screamed terribly. It was so unbearable. I was amazed that specified an experienced showman, a celebrity is incapable to contain his emotions.

But he did have the courage to come, play not on his field. Is that something he can gain?

– I'm not taking that distant from him. Will he gain? Marshal Hołownia is not the politician from a year and a half ago, he is not the politician from 5 years ago, where he was an unencumbered individual of government. He lacks freshness. A applies its old methods and techniques.

Is Sławomir Mentzen going to have a hiccupsy absence from the debate?

The absent are wrong. However, these 2 debates were watched by all of Poland. Live from this debate on YouTube was number 1 in the world. I'm amazed Mentzen wasn't here. Although I agree that the circus that made the Trzaskovsky staff was ridiculous. On Friday, erstwhile most of the candidates began declaring that they were going to Koński, Rafał Trzaskowski recorded a video an hr before this event, in which he stated that he, however, by respect for all the counter-candidates invited them.

If he hadn't invited you, you'd be criticizing too.

– He was not guided by good intentions. After the candidates' declarations and media pressure, the Trzaskovsky staff saw that he was drowning and had to save himself somehow. A grenade exploded in their hands. Besides, I tried to get into this debate. It was very emotional there. Even any candidates could not initially enter. We as members of the staff were not allowed in.

Who decided that?

– Mr Michał Marcinkiewicz, associate of the electoral staff of Rafał Trzaskowski, protege of Sławomir Nitras, and besides president of the city company in Warsaw. Similarly, it affected politicians from Simon Holownia, members of his electoral staff. surely this debate does not meet the standards of civilised debates.

Was this debate a “fest of silly cliques and gadgets” as Donald Tusk says?

– Donald Tusk comments, due to the fact that Rafał Trzaskowski was completely killed. He received this rainbow flag. And then Magdalene Biejat took her, completely crushed him. Rafał Trzaskowski did not know how to find himself in specified a situation. He has a major problem, due to the fact that he changes his views very often, though he is simply a politician to the left.

But you didn't get him in the left corner. He put the flag down, he said about Lech Kaczyński, that he valued it.

– This is simply a mask that Rafał Trzaskowski accepted in this campaign. We all know he was pushing the migration pact, the Green Deal. As for president Kaczyński, we all know that if he had just said the word, the street of Lech Kaczyński would have been created in Warsaw.

He said he'd surprise you. You don't believe me?

I don't believe any of Rafał Trzaskowski's words. He was a typical of the political group that attacked Lech Kaczyński, who turned on the full manufacture of contempt and hate. I believe that it is absolutely indecent to mention to Lech Kaczyński by Trzaskowski now.

Donald Tusk stated that the effort to usage gas against Rafał Trzaskowski was a consequence of the anger of opponents that he won the debate.

– Not with us, Bruner. The 2015 casus is repeated erstwhile individual came with a chair to president Komorowski's rally and it was besides suggested that there was any kind of assassination. I would like Rafal Trzaskowski to explain why his bodyguards and supporters attacked the tv writer Republic. We've all seen those recordings. It is clear that Rafał Trzaskowski is powerfully polarizing society at these rallies. He doesn't effort to connect, he divides and stigmatizes.

According to 1 of the last polls, as many as 18 percent of respondents do not know who they will vote for in the second round. What strategy do you gotta convince them?

– First of all, organic, hard work in the field, this is crucial. 2 more debates and respective interviews by Karol Nawrocki await us. In different formulas, both tv and online podcasts. Especially the second give an chance to meet a candidate from another, more private side.

So you're going to spend more time exploring the net to meet Sławomir Mentzen?

– We have very large net coverage. The full parliamentary club is involved. We leave the Civic Platform behind. The net becomes right again.

This engagement of your PiS politicians is due to the fact that Karol Nawrock was not doing very well? In the polls, he can't get to the top of your party.

– Karol Nawrocki is an unpartisan and civilian candidate, supported by the Law and Justice, but besides by the Solidarity and hundreds of people of science, culture, social and political life. We do not place specified large importance on the polls that are published in the media.

Do you have any interior polls?

– Yes, and they disagree from what is published in the media. Our polls are more precise. Trzaskowski has small advantage over Karol Nawrocki. Sławomir Mentzen is besides not at the level of presented results in the media. Although he has good results and a fewer lengths ahead of him. These polls will besides change after this Trzaskowski flap in Koński. It is clear that Rafał Trzaskowski is undergoing a breakdown in his campaign.

Are you guys planning any kind of run bomb?

– I'm certain it'll be very interesting. After Christmas, we're entering the key minute of the campaign. Karol Nawrocki is very determined to win this election.

Marta Kurzyńska spoke.

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