The fact that we confuse the deficiency of knowing of AI with the deficiency of control, Grzegorz Nawrocki talks to Aleksandra Przegalinska.
I read that you were among the nominees for the Almighty title. Congratulations!
The title is intimidating, but the nomination made me happy. The rewards are for women and I think that this title of the Almighty is due to the fact that women are inactive rather difficult, so this omnipotence concerns the ability to fight adversity and accomplish their goals. I feel alive due to the fact that I do things I like. And then he met us with an artificial intelligence boom, so he's
Very interesting.
But if you were truly omnipotent and with this title would affect your superpower, what would you change? What would you think to make the Poles better?
We should replace politicians with artificial intelligence. I'm certain it would be a lot nicer, and there's a chance that it would be, paradoxically, little polarizing. due to the fact that although artificial intelligence can service polarization, it doesn't have to. And seriously, I've been very supportive of artificial intelligence for years.
And I want there was more in medicine. From looking for therapy and medicine through patient support, clinical trials. While at Harvard, I see this fast improvement – various genetic studies, searching for fresh drugs, therapy, chemicals that may yet prove to be
A good panacea for any disease. Of course, everything must be done wisely and with a head.
For now, it's an artificial ‘intelligent’.
It's not just an artificial "intelligent." These are very powerful models. The scale of their applications is huge, the price, preparing people to usage it and retraining various professions – this is just ahead. So for now, the scope is besides small, and the needs are very much. I realize that artificial intelligence in many areas does not necessarily gotta associate well with people, although I think it is unnecessary to have specified a bad reputation.
In the end, all day it provides us with weather forecasts, verifies us in the bank, suggests the products we want to buy, and most importantly, it helps in therapies e.g. exceptionally malignant types of breast cancer, where AI models are utilized to investigation and prepare more targeted therapies. I am a immense supporter of this and I think that the good that artificial intelligence can give us is just access to the cognition so far hidden, blocked, allowing us to build better wellness services. People imagine that artificial intelligence is about to do anything our imagination can imagine.
On the 1 hand, she will treat diseases, realize our dreams of immortality, of transplantation, and on the another hand, that she can be greedy enough, bloodthirsty adequate that at any point she will not request a species of Homo sapiens at all and will “get” us 1 click. surely a lot has changed since the inauguration in November 2022 of the GPT chat. I've worked in this area for 10 years, and what's happening now is different from most of us.
For the last fewer years, I've been observing an increase in interest in artificial intelligence, I've been active in a series of projects, but it's all incomparable to what's happening now. You see, the difference is 1 basic. immense language and pictorial models to talk to. They don't should be programmed. Each of us can go to the site and start talking to the chat, get answers to the question from him. And he doesn't gotta effort at all, he doesn't gotta program, code, he doesn't gotta know circumstantial commands. He can talk to this model like a friend. And that's the fundamental difference. This deficiency of coding, full access, at the same time connected to the fact that these are truly models that can do a lot. You want a Szymborska poetry? There you go. You want rap like Drake? There you go.
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It may be a small scary, but I know quite a few people who usage it all day. They just email each another so they don't gotta write. I have quite a few friends in the creative sector who usage chat erstwhile they have a alleged creative block. Similarly, programmers – they usage power. Their work has already changed fundamentalally. They don't "stick" code all day, they do another things, i.e. they put systems together, they talk to customers. This is simply a good example. There are at least a fewer others: journalists, graphists,
Marketing professionals, scientists.
You late wrote on your social media that we are witnessing an era of artificial intelligence. Let us effort critically and answer the question: will artificial intelligence bring us good, that is, good life, good cooperation?
I don't think artificial intelligence can be liable for the good, due to the fact that it's a tool. I know that quite a few people presently personify artificial intelligence, make it a individual or an instance. But it is simply a tool and it has no will. The will of a man can be pursued to bring good or evil. Self-made artificial intelligence will not bring us anything for a very long time yet, although there are experts who say it is simply a substance of seven, possibly 10 years. Mine
According to the opinion, more time will elapse before artificial intelligence can carry out something itself, consciously and actually construct something for good or evil. Today, however, it is simply a tool, technology. And we structurally realize quite a few its elements, how it functions. But it is people who program AI, decide the parameters, only the process of learning through artificial intelligence.
is invisible to many people, incomprehensible. And it seems to me that this deficiency of knowing is confusing with the deficiency of control. And the deficiency of control is associated with the fact that technology can service evil and there's nothing you can do about it. Just due to the fact that we don't see certain things doesn't mean artificial intelligence is autonomous.
And there's nothing we can do.
So it depends on who's programming, who's creating and what his intentions are.
Tools specified as ChatGPT are always immense projects, with the participation of an extended team, operating in an even larger surveillance ecosystem. And it would be very hard for 1 individual with crazy intentions to tip this technology any way. That's the first argument. There's another one.
If we're talking about good, we can talk about good utilitarianly. I mean, what kind of company would yet be profitable in creating a technology that works negatively from an economic, image or social point of view? I don't think so. I think I see it the way that it is frequently so that
In spite of good intentions, technology can be utilized in a very mediocre way. It happens. Hackers are inactive fighting organizations in cybersecurity, and yet we seldom hear about fundamental cracks. A sum of human intentions that accompany the creation of artificial
intelligence is usually good or neutral, and very seldom unambiguously evil.
If artificial intelligence can influence in plus or in minus, can it form the intellectual processes that happen within us?
At this point, I think the artificial intelligence of human psychology is rather peripheral. Contrary to popular belief that if we usage social media, we are in algorithmic bubbles and we are shaping just like our choices
And the perception of the world. The intellectual foundation of man, concern, instincts, fears, fears of certain things may in any way in the future be co-formed by artificial intelligence. Today, in my opinion, this is marginal.
But it is the tools of artificial intelligence that aid the various autocrats to hang people on each other, and very precisely.
Yes, but on the another hand we have an example of social media, where an autocrat can be ridiculed by quite a few people and can do nothing about it. Technology can besides sometimes be utilized to overthrow
regimes. I remind you of the situation with Trump and TikTok. First Trump boasted that crowds were coming to his speeches, after which tiktokers began blocking ticket sales and Trump yet spoke to almost empty stands. Of course, I have concerns, too. For example, specified a situation
with a clone of the Prime Minister's voice, which in my opinion was not a fortune. specified usage should be marked. Do not mislead people. This is the sowing of confusion and chaos with the aid of indeed
advanced technology in which the voice clone can be very precisely made. And in that sense, of course, you're 100% right. Political life is ugly and hideous in many ways.
It just moved a lot to the network.
Yeah, it went online. But this is simply a paradox, due to the fact that on the 1 hand, political life on the net is ugly, and on the another hand, erstwhile you compose in the same network, "Hey, I request money due to the fact that the kid urgently needs costly treatment," abruptly the same people who utilized to muddy each other, pay money and aid each other.
What about the migration crisis? It'll last a long time. How can artificial intelligence aid us solve specified a challenge?
You gotta look at it from both sides again. due to the fact that on the 1 hand, utilizing artificial intelligence, it is predicted what the European population will look like without migration in 30 or 40 years. Turns out it's kind of empty here, quite a few older people, small kids. And specified investigation is done utilizing comparatively simple models of artificial intelligence. Technology gives arguments on a plate to guide
smart migration, due to the fact that Europe needs people. And now, on the another hand, I can imagine that artificial intelligence is curious in Frontex or another services. And then it can be used
To see who's coming. And send any away, and leave others behind.
How do you view the question of regulating artificial intelligence today? Who should do this and how? How to control this process and how much freedom should there be in it?
Technology regulation is essential. Of course, it is hard to make regulations that are wise and specified future proof, given the very fast pace of improvement of this technology. A framework is needed, but I do not know how rigid this framework should be. This is simply a very hard issue. A sealed framework may cause
I don't think that's gonna happen to technology in a minute. There is already a large discussion about the AI Act, the regulation on artificial intelligence, which is being conducted by the European Commission. I get quite a few suggestions from institutions, companies about what they think. Technological actors
They want the regulations to be loose, give freedom, and social organisations, the NGO sector want stronger regulation. I personally am not a supporter of the libertarian approach. The framework is necessary, possibly they will not be perfect, but I think they will give us all a sense of security.
It'll be forged in battle.
Yes, and there are different approaches. In Europe, we focus on issues related to the protection of privacy, individual freedom. In the U.S., the discussion is somewhat different, it concerns intellectual property. If you're creating an image with AI's help, is he truly yours? Is this the effect of the AI model
He got a 1000 paintings of the another people who created them, learned and created it for you? I mention to the case of the man who won the artistic competition, generating works with the aid of Midjourney service. This man applied for an IP (intellectual property) grant and did not receive approval from the ultimate Court due to the fact that he ruled that only questions that were addressed to artificial intelligence (so-called "prompts") were yours. You had the right to make this job, but it's not your job. And that's very interesting.
In a word, dilemmas will multiply and will be highly interesting. Finally, I would like to ask if the planet with artificial intelligence will be better than the 1 in which we live present with this roaring artificial intelligence.
In certain dimensions of life, I think so. I say it carefully. possibly public wellness is better, but there's quite a few people here. I say it as a individual who believes in the generation.
From generations and generations lower. Especially as I observe young people who decision distant from social media, how smart they are, and at the same time they know and are able to work with tools and technologies. I believe in them a little, so the planet in the hands of this generation of artificial intelligence has a chance to be rather right. I don't know if he's going to be so dramatically different from this very complicated planet we have today. I think that, contrary to the expectations of the catastrophic and technological hyperoptimists, may be very akin to what we have today, alternatively than completely different. And is this good or bad? There are various disasters, crises,
War. This is dramatic. But on the another hand, each of us experiences the reflexes of good from another people. Artificial intelligence will change things, but these fundamental axes I think will stay as they are.
ALEXANDRA – a philosopher, investigator of the improvement of fresh technologies, especially green and sustainable technologies, humanoid artificial intelligence, social robots and clothing technologies. Prof. Dr. hab at the Department of Management in the Network Society at the Kozminski Academy, where he has been acting as the manager of cooperation with abroad countries and ESA (ethics and social responsibility) since 2020. Doctor of Humanities in the discipline of doctrine obtained
in 2014 at the Institute of doctrine of the University of Warsaw. A postgraduate of The fresh School for Social investigation in fresh York City, where she participated in investigation on virtual identity, with peculiar emphasis on Second Life. In the 2016/2017 academic year visiting school as part of the MNiSW program at the Center for Collective Intelligence at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology in Boston. From 2018 to 2019, an expert at the European Parliament on the regulation of artificial intelligence, a associate of the European AI Alliance. She is the author of many technological and book publications. As of September 2020, he has aired "Something peculiar" on Newonce.radio.
