In the conversation between Paul Sito and Maciej Rogacewicz, a diagnosis that would sound like provocation only a fewer years ago: Donald Trump – despite the chaos it causes – may paradoxically become a catalyst for European awakening. In the background, there is simply a question about the future of NATO, the condition of the left and whether the West understands the planet in which it lives.
Europe in shock. American umbrella disappears
Donald Trump has only been president for a year, and many feel that the full era has passed. Not due to the fact that it works slow – on the contrary. His kind of governance, based on the transactionability and brutal breakdown of the existing arrangements, has turned upside down what has been the foundation of Western stableness for decades.
The key thesis appears in the conversation: America has lived with the illusion for years that it may not produce, modernize industry, and do not take care of balance, due to the fact that the dollar will do everything anyway. Trump interrupted that dream.
The same applies to NATO. Europe, accustomed to an American umbrella, abruptly hears: “You can handle yourselves.” And although it sounds like a threat, it could be the beginning of puberty.
Will the EU last the wind of history? - Maciej Rogacewicz - Paweł Sito
NATO: warrant or mirage?
Does Article 5 of the North Atlantic Pact inactive be in practice? Incidents in Latvia, deficiency of response, deficiency of clear declarations – all this raises questions that European capitals are afraid to put out loud.
Maciej Rogacewicz stresses: It's a good thing the illusion breaks. Europe must yet grow up.
It's not triumphism, it's cold diagnosis. A continent has lived like a kid for years, hoping that individual else will do hard things for them. Now he must learn independency – military, political and economic.
Will the EU last the wind of history? - Maciej Rogacewicz - Paweł Sito
Left back. Self-exclusion or a change in the age?
In the second part of the discussion, there is simply a question that hangs over many Western countries: Did the left end?
This is not about conventional social demands – they return in the form of guaranteed income or discussions on minimum pensions. It is simply a cultural left that, as the interviewors say, has "started to exclude those whom she was to defend".
The left, alternatively of expanding its group, closed in a niche of extremist postulates, frequently incomprehensible to average people. As a result:
- The right has taken over the safety language,
- Left – language of offense.
It is no coincidence that in many countries it is the national populist groups that gain support. At least they talk about fear, danger, boundaries. The left – as the interviewers note – frequently pretends that the planet is made of flowers that can be stopped by a truck.
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A planet in a storm. End of illusion, beginning of responsibility
The conversation ends with reflection, which may be the key to the full text:
We live in a storm, and the storm is not a minute for ideological experiments.
Europe must:
- build your own defense,
- halt counting on individual else's umbrella,
- leave political childhood,
- realize that safety is not abstract.
The left must find common sense. Right – halt playing purely cynicism. And citizens – learn to look at the planet without illusions.
Because as the callers say: peace is not a natural state. Peace is simply a balance dance.
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