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A amazingly sincere interview
Belgian Minister of Defence: “We will crush Moscow”
The Belgian defence minister gave an interview that German media had not informed at all. No wonder, since the minister openly stated that Europeans are already at war with Russia, which the German public should inactive not know.
Anti-Spiegel31 October 2025
On October 27, Belgian defence minister Francken gave an interview that reveals the actual reasoning of leading European politicians. This interview further reassures me that the hot war in Europe is only a substance of time, due to the fact that the dominant way of reasoning of those people who have openly demonstrated Francken is the same way of reasoning that characters like Merz and another German instigators of war, or Macron, von der Leyen, Kallas, Starmer and so on.
I deliberately waited a fewer days to print this article due to the fact that I wanted to see if German media would study an interview with Belgian defence minister Francken, but they did not. I only found an article on this subject in "Berliner Zeitung". Germany should not know what kind of "controversial attitude" and vocabulary actually prevails in the EU – and the collusion of silence in the German mainstream media (which, of course, is called "coordinated" conspiracy theory) works perfectly.
The interview, published under the title “Minister of the army Theo Francken: «Putin knows: if I usage atomic weapons, he will wipe Moscow from the map», was very long; here I will mention only to those statements which I consider to be the most crucial (and shocking).
System issue
Let's start with the question of defence spending:
Question: International policy prof. Hendrik Vos wrote in “De Standaard”: “Even without America, the European NATO countries have a immense arsenal of equipment compared to Moscow. erstwhile will we have enough? What if we double everything? How about 10 times?’
Franken: That's not true. The Russians have increased their potential. Their military economy produces 4 times more ammunition than the full NATO combined. You can't even compare budgets due to the fact that the Russians can buy much more for the same money than we can.
The Minister raised the key issue underlying the Western War against Russia and the Western confrontation with China and many another countries. I frequently repeat that before the escalation, the artillery rocket cost around $2,000 in the West, while the same artillery rocket cost the Russian army only around $500. How is that possible?
Simply: the Russian arms manufacture is state-owned; Its goal is not to make profits and rise the price of its own shares, but to supply an army of good, easy to keep and inexpensive weapons, while Western arms companies are doing the opposite, and in the past 30 years have developed weapons systems that are expensive, complicated to keep and with limited usage in large-scale war.
This weapon could make billions, and it could be utilized to run tiny blitzkriegs in Iraq or Libya, or to carry out war by commandos, as in Afghanistan. However, during the war in Ukraine, these weapons have revealed their weaknesses, for example, erstwhile the barrels of Western artillery are not designed to carry out continuous fire, they proceed to perish and require exchange (as in the case of the German Panzerhaubic 2000) or erstwhile the western weapon is delicate to dirt (as the French whaubica Caesar) and so on.
Western arms companies operate according to the principles of supply and demand. erstwhile request for artillery missiles exploded since 2022, as the West bought them around the planet at all costs to send them to Ukraine, prices increased sharply. Today, artillery shells cost around $8,000 apiece in the West, while the Russian army inactive receives it for $500.
This is the fundamental question underlying the geopolitical conflict between the West and Russia, China and all the another countries that the West has declared enemies: the Western strategy is completely corrupt, but it is not called “corruption” but “lobbing” (the latest example from Germany can be found here). However, this does not change the rule that yet corporations (not governments, not even people) regulation in the West, and each case comes down only to transferring billions of dollars from taxpayers' money to these corporations' pockets.
And that is the systemic problem underlying the geopolitical conflict between the West and Russia, China and all the another countries that the West has declared its enemies: the Western strategy is corrupted to the ground, only this is called "lobbing" (the latest example from Germany can be found here https://anti-spiegel.ru/2025/rheinmetall-tochter-spendet-vor-abstimung-ueber-ruestungs projekte-an-abgeordnete).
All countries of the planet that argue this and Western NGOs whose mission is to present the Western strategy as the best in the world, and thus the final beginning of markets of another countries (i.e. outlets or deposits of natural materials) for western corporations, are declared enemies who allegedly distort "free trade" or – a favourite subject – are highly undemocratic and violate human rights.
The fact that the West does not care about democracy or "values", specified as women's rights, homosexuals or anyone else, is evident in the fact that arabian dictatorships (ephemistically referred to as "kingdoms"), which are obedient to the West, frequently do not have parliaments or elections, and in which homosexuals are sometimes publically cut down, are not criticized by the West.
This is what it means by the tiny but eloquent message of the Belgian Minister of Defence: “Russians can buy much more for the same money than the Western states.”
The West is at war with Russia
The Minister’s answer did not conclude with the above quote. What happened was interesting, as the further part of his answers and subsequent questions show:
Francken: People who say we shouldn't be afraid of Russians are wrong. They are a geopolitical superpower with a strong army and a immense spirit of struggle. They won in Chechnya, dominated the war in Syria for 10 years and operate on many fronts in Africa. Europe does not even have central command. Apart from a fewer Eurocorpus soldiers in Strasbourg, we have nothing to send to combat immediately.
Question: But the Russians don't break through in Ukraine.
Francken: Because they're fighting the full West! Ukrainians fight our weapons, ammunition and money. Otherwise, they would have been amazed long ago.
In fresh days, in respective articles from different perspectives, I have shown that the West, or at least the EU and its associate States, has long been at war with Russia. Germany is kept in ignorance, but in Europe it is said rather openly, as you can see one more time due to the fact that Francken is telling the truth, which German politicians (still) do not dare to say: the Russians are fighting the full West, in another words: the full West is fighting Russia.
And that's not part of the war?
Of course I do. And in Europe, more and more openly, what I have been writing about for months and years: European countries have long been at war with Russia. This is the self-aware belief of the leading EU and most of its associate States politicians, the only exceptions being most likely Hungary and Slovakia.
War on Destruction
Two days ago, I published an article entitled "War on demolition – Why they are calling for a hard line towards the EU in Russia" (https://anti-spiegel.ru/2025/warum-in-russland-die-forderungen-nach-einem-harten-vorgehen-gegen-die-eu-lauter-werden) in which I explained in detail, how the West wages war on Russia: first of all it wants to exhaust Russia economically, until the overthrow of the government and the fall of Russia “at best”.
The Belgian defence minister besides openly said this in an interview. erstwhile asked how the war would make in Ukraine, he replied:
Francken: I don't see a realistic way to peace yet. Putin does not truly want to negotiate; he wants to make full usage of Europe's weakness. The sooner we arm ourselves, the little his chances of conquering Ukraine. However, it is impossible to force the Russians to kneel militarily unless we send hundreds of thousands of European soldiers. I can always propose it in parliament, but it's not going to happen with enthusiasm. We must effort to break Russia economically. This has been done 3 times in the last 100 years. This means: further tightening of economical sanctions and cutting off oil and gas revenues, as they drive the war economy. In fresh months Ukraine has struck dense blows of 1 4th of Russian refineries.
The fact that Francken cites examples from the past confirms what I just wrote. I can only think of 2 examples from the last century in which the West managed to "economically break Russia", but both included not only the overthrow of Russian governments, but besides attempts to dismantle Russia as a state.
The first effort was planet War I, which ended in defeat of Russia and revolution. This led to a multi-year civilian war in which – information on this subject can be found in Western past textbooks – besides fought Britain, the United States and another Western countries. On the 1 hand, they supported independency movements in any parts of Russia, and on the another they fought against the Bolsheviks due to the fact that the West saw their growth as a threat to the Western system, due to the fact that the vast majority of people in the West besides lived in poverty, as the Bolsheviks promised to change. That is why Communist parties were gaining more and more support in Europe.
A second effort to dismantle Russia as a state took place at the end of the Cold War, along with the collapse of the russian Union and subsequent Western attempts to besides dismantle Russia, deliberately supporting separatist forces throughout the country. The most famous, though not the only one, is the 1990s Chechen War.
And efforts to disassemble Russia as a state proceed continuously under the euphemist word "the decolonization of Russia", as I have repeatedly reported. Even the Belgian defence minister speaks rather openly about this.
In Russia, therefore, calls for the eventual task of a decisive blow that is constantly escalating to Europeans are increasingly heard. any even call for the preventive drop of a tactical (i.e. "small") atomic bomb on Poland, due to the fact that otherwise there is simply a hazard that the war can last much longer, and the Western strategy, consisting in the exhaustion and dismantling of Russia, can yet succeed.
Although this now seems unlikely, the fact remains that Russia allows the West to dictate the rules of the game and steps leading to escalation. Russian experts so request that Russia take the initiative and give Europeans a crucial blow.
This is the subject of heated debates in Russia, but 1 thing is certain: if Europeans are not stopped, the hazard of a war in Europe is increasing, which is likely to yet turn into a atomic war.
This is presently the subject of heated debates in Russia. Belgian Minister Francken – and this is crucial – fundamentally openly says that the West is behind Ukrainian attacks on Russian refineries, while describing this as the intent of the West, which is to cut off Russian oil and gas revenue, and then praises, almost proudly, Ukrainian attacks on Russian refineries.
But the West is not a militant party?
Red lines
Incidentally, in his interview, Belgian Minister Francken confirms the arguments of Russian experts who call for the preventive usage of the atomic bomb against Europe, as he was asked:
Question: Trump is besides considering delivering American Tomahawk missiles at the expense of Europe. This would let Ukraine to attack targets located up to 2,000 kilometres deep in Russia. The Kremlin warns against “a dramatic turning point”.
Franken: Putin said erstwhile Finland and Sweden joined NATO, erstwhile we delivered tanks, missiles, F-16... The lesson is we can't let them intimidate us. Initially, we in Ukraine dared to defend only for fear of Putin's reaction. In doing so, we simply preluded the war, as all supply lines ran through Russia. They should be attacked, which is what we do. It was besides a red line for Putin, but what did he do? Nothing. He knows if I usage atomic weapons, they'll wipe Moscow off the map. Then the end of the planet is near.
This is the biggest threat facing Europe present (and Russia has allowed it), taking insignificant steps towards escalation, from the transportation of protective helmets to Ukraine in March 2022, to the gradual transportation of dense artillery, combat tanks, missiles, maneuvering missiles, fighters, and so on. The danger is that Europeans are now convinced that Russia is simply bluffing.
This is simply a dangerous misunderstanding due to the fact that from the Russian position these are threats of crucial importance to Russia. And like any atomic power, Russia would alternatively drag the full planet with it than let its own destruction. It is not by chance that Putin erstwhile answered a akin question: “Why do we (Russians) request the planet erstwhile Russia is gone?”
The fact that Western politicians interpret Russia's patience with the gradual escalation of Western support for Ukraine as a weakness or bluff is simply a terribly dangerous mistake. If they proceed to cross Russian "red lines", at any point – as happened in late February 2022 Russia will respond with full force. If the West continues this policy, the question is not whether it will happen, but when.
This is besides 1 of the reasons why Russian experts call for the preventive usage of a atomic bomb: to show Europeans that Russia is serious and not just bluffing. This is an effort to prevent a hot war in Europe by showing European politicians – who have seemingly forgotten what war means – that it can besides contact them.
Russian experts hope that this will halt Europeans and their provocations (e.g. in the Baltic Sea) before they turn into a hot war in Europe and thus, almost surely sooner or later, into a atomic war, due to the fact that in specified a case atomic powers – Russia on the 1 hand, and France and Britain on the another – would be at war.
Nuclear War
The fact that Europeans seemingly believe that they can wage war with Russia in Ukraine and unpunishedly support attacks on targets in Russia can be seen in the following passage of the interview:
Question: Aren't you afraid that Putin will always send a non-atomic rocket to Brussels?
Franken: No, due to the fact that then he would have hit the heart of NATO, and we would have razed Moscow to the ground.
In the logic of Europeans, even a Russian non-atomic rocket aimed at targets in Europe would origin a atomic attack on Moscow.
But Russia is to proceed to passively watch Europeans attack Russian cities, refineries, etc. – and now openly admit it? Do they truly believe that Russia will never react?
NATO issue
In Europe politicians inactive believe in NATO. They sincerely believe that the US would sacrifice Washington for Warsaw and Boston for Brussels. The Georgian government believed this in 2008 and the government in Kiev in 2022. due to the fact that they were promised precisely that behind the scenes, they both risked and provoked the war on Russia. The effects are widely known.
But Europeans truly believe that the same would not have happened to them if they provoked a heated war with Russia, as this part of the interview shows:
Question: Are you certain Trump will respect Article 5 of NATO?
Franken: Of course. (Irritated) Prejudice towards the American government is so strong in Europe. Unbelievable. Why wouldn't he respect me?
Question: due to the fact that he himself planted doubts at the NATO Summit: "This depends on the definition; there are many definitions of Article 5".
Franken: Oh, president Trump frequently makes specified a unusual digression. We request to review them. He virtually said that the United States would proceed to support its NATO allies. A maneuvering rocket in Brussels? It's a childish play, whatever the definition. Putin won't do it either. I am more afraid about the scenarios in the grey area: tiny green people who will instil a Russian-speaking number in Estonia against the “Nazi regime”. Before they see it, any of Estonia is annexed.
The Belgian defence minister seemingly did not read Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, as the fact that there is simply a "many definition of Article 5" was not Trump's "strange" but alternatively a very cautious wording of unpleasant fact for Europeans. And the fact is: Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty does not oblige NATO associate States to act.
In accordance with Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty, all associate States must first unanimously decide to invoke the alleged collective defence clause; only then does Article 5 enter into force. Article 5 does not in fact oblige NATO States to act, because it provides that in this case each organization to the North Atlantic Treaty "will take specified measures, including the usage of the armed force it considers necessary".
In another words, those who do not consider it essential to supply aid simply do not give it. I explained it in item any time ago; you can read about it here https://web.archive.org/web/20241209043559/https://anti-spiegel.ru/2024/wuerden-die-usa-laendern-nato-laendern-gegen-russland-wirklich-beistehen.
Of course, NATO would be politically dead if it invoked a collective defence clause, and then not all NATO states would go to war together, but if the United States had a choice between NATO's "death" and the atomic demolition of its own country – what do you think would the US government choose?
It was not for no reason that the United States insisted on this non-binding phrase "obligation" (which in fact is no commitment) erstwhile creating NATO, due to the fact that after the creation of NATO they did not want to be dragged into war with the russian Union against their will by anyone in Europe.
The intent of the NATO Treaty was to tie Europeans to the United States, not vice versa.. The United States could decide erstwhile to hazard or provoke a war with the russian Union (now Russia). As the war would be fought in Europe, Europeans would automatically be at war. The other is not actual due to the fact that if individual in Europe risks or provokes a war with Russia, the United States is separated from it by the ocean and can decide whether to participate or not.
And that brings us back to the key question: Do you truly believe that the United States would sacrifice Washington for Warsaw and Boston for Brussels?
Belgian defence minister thinks so. Like all the another instigators in Europe.
I don't.
And you?
