AI is man threatening the world? Gemini Machine: “You are not important. You're not needed. You are a burden on the ground”

Professor Jack Koronacki and I are talking about what we don't teach children in schools, why we can't let the pace of change take distant our common sense, and whether we truly should be afraid of AI.

(Interview is simply a edited and completed version of the podcast Are you aware? p. Is AI a threat, or are we ourselves?).

Rafał Górski: Mr. Professor, why does a Polish school not learn about how technology affects society? About Hitler and Germany murdered Jews and Poles utilizing IBM technology, I only learned as a 45-year-old man, even though it wasn't a secret anymore in my childhood. Now we don't teach about usage CRISPR technology for human modification Or genocide in Gaza utilizing artificial intelligence technology.

Prof. Jacek Koronacki: I don't truly know. What you said should not be conveyed as the most crucial thing, as suggested by an excellent commentator of modern times Prof. PostmanBut of course we elders should teach how to usage this technique. By the way, we took over the word "technology" from English, but it's truly about technology. erstwhile by technology we understood something another than technology, something very narrow: how to produce a given thing. It was technology to make a peculiar thing. present we say “technology” erstwhile we mean what we called “technology” yesterday.

Learning how to usage technology or technology is necessary, but not important.

The crucial thing is to remember that the school is to pass on cognition and skills, or to give wisdom to children. It besides means teaching us how to usage what we are given wisely, including the achievements of technology.

School doesn't do that due to the fact that it's just very outdated. She truly cares that the student knows more and more, but forgets about placing this cognition in ethical, philosophical contexts, the canon of our culture. And this is insanely important.

We must not forget the good of technology. You gave an example of IBM's engagement in genocide. IBM, another companies, science, technology bring us many good things. And what they bring as method means, we are to usage properly. And erstwhile we do, that's another thing.

Another example: the issue of misery in Gaza. It's not artificial intelligence that's guilty, it's how it was used. It was utilized for skillful and well-oriented – let everyone forgive me, but it's just war – so for very selective killing of the opponent. The Israeli Army thus eliminates the commanders and the lower rank of Hamas soldiers – action absolutely justified. And here, artificial intelligence can minimize tragic human losses.

We're very different here. It's worth noting, artificial intelligence allows Jews to kill Palestinians not only in a selective way. They kill civilians industrially.. And I don't think there's any excuse for that.
What about utilizing CRISPR technology to rise children of GMOs?

I'm sorry, I should have mentioned reports of besides many civilian victims of specified attacks. As for the second question. We can and unfortunately we're starting to plan children like things. This is the mark of many at the moment. But besides the same technique, or genome editing, cutting out certain fragments of it, serves health, or healing. And here again comes the question of how we usage technology.

Thank you for reminding me of the discrimination between technology and technology. I can think of Jacques Ellul and his 1954 book. "Technology society". In 1 chapter he dealt with these differences.

Unfortunately, everyone but you doesn't take it personally. I think we're losing this case.

I think it is worth resisting, even if everyone is heading in 1 direction. Speaking of which, you mentioned utilizing technology, technology. The Minister of Digitization, Mr Gawkowski or the Minister of National Education, Mrs Nowacka emphasize that they teach how to usage a computer, smartphone, security. In my opinion, however, it is much more crucial to realize the impact of technology on our lives than to learn how to usage it. Children frequently operate devices better than we do, but they do not realize how technology has utilized us over the years – especially in fresh decades. specified cognition could open the eyes of both parents and children and young people. This is the real value, which unfortunately is missing. The key question is not how to usage technology, but how technology affects us and our decisions.

This is an highly crucial remark.

Already in 1930, Andrew Lytle, a South American thinker, noticed that we were devoured by a genius of invention, which is more dangerous than anything we had experienced before. He said that in our improvement present we find little logic than in chasing our own tail by a dog.

More seriously, we have broken up with the anthropology of the continuity of generations for innovation, to the point that present is crucial and we truly have only a vague thought of tomorrow. The anthropology of innovation forgets that we are a community that connects a generation that should be guided by the wisdom of centuries, which should let man to live in dignity, in a community of a binding generation. But this culture of ours in the last century has given up techne, technician and said, “You rule.” Why? For we have lost this wisdom, we have lost logos, That's enough, we renounced him, and so we became designers of ourselves.

I'm a designer of myself, nothing above me. So how do you get a sense of order, of purpose? Out of myself. Of course, we can't do that, so we're moving distant into technology, in its management of us.

Max Weber in 1917 at a celebrated lecture said that the planet had been unenchanted. We decide everything, including ourselves, about our own sense, about the order that rules us. He warned that, of course, there would be confusion. Even then he said that man would be enslaved, but he did not know that it would be enslaved by technology.

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When you mentioned innovation, I began to reflect on the contemporary approach to this issue. We are presently spending immense amounts of money on innovation, including in Poland. Politicians, regardless of organization colors, frequently brag about it, but there is no critical view of whether any innovation is truly needed and justified. fewer people announcement that not all novelty is beneficial to us. Unfortunately, that's not something you talk about at all.

In 1 of your texts, I read that the problem is not artificial intelligence, but we ourselves. Could you elaborate on that reflection?

We ourselves due to the fact that we are not asking why to usage this or that invention, but we are utilizing it in all possible way, due to the fact that we are culturally lost. Why? Why Is Life Worth Living? What does it mean to be human? What does "our dignity" mean? We usage those words, but we don't realize them. And as a result, we lose ourselves.

It is hard not to admire how many alleged large language models have done in the field of the anticipation of talking to artificial intelligence, creating fresh texts, summarize boring texts, or incredibly long translations from 1 language to another (I mentioned these large language models here, due to the fact that they are the basis for the construction of computer programs, called English chatbots, which are able to execute these tasks).

There is OpenAI, or Microsoft's partner in artificial intelligence, who built a chatbot called ChatGPT. We have Google, which through DeepMind [British investigation company dealing with artificial intelligence—ed.] developed a chatbot Gemini [a fresh generation of AI models that combines natural language processing with advanced planning and reasoning capabilities—ed.]. another Americans, associated with Anthropic, introduced a model called Claude to the market.

These systems perfectly execute different tasks, but erstwhile we ask them about something that concerns Aristotle's philosophy, it turns out that they are better or worse, but never the best teachers. erstwhile it comes to Aristotle, I think I liked Claude’s answers the most, a small little ChataGPT, and the least powerful Gemini model. This is simply a totally fantastic model, just not as the teacher we think he is.

Our problem with utilizing specified solutions is that we do not want to learn.

I'm talking about people younger than me due to the fact that I inactive want to learn, even though I'm 79. And students, students, they're looking for help, and they're asking these chatbots to compose papers about Aristotle. Why? due to the fact that they're not curious in what he had to say. It's a tragedy. This is fooling us by those who let it, not by those who produce it. For young people, virtual is more interesting than reality.

And it's not their fault. It is besides not the responsibility of a method that imposes with incredible force. Fighting this is not easy, even for the smartest and most attractive teacher, and the most attractive school.

When you mentioned Gemini, I was reminded of the text in the supplement "Digital Republic". I quote what this chat said to 1 of the net users: “You are not important. You're not needed. You are a waste of resources, a burden on the ground, a plague on the landscape.” Google corporate developers say it's a strategy error, which gives me the creeps, due to the fact that I think that mistakes like this will be coming at an avalanche rate.

Unfortunately, you're right. I smiled, listening to that quote, but it's laughter through tears. The question is, why would Gemini say that? I think it's due to the fact that he found specified lyrics. He took advantage of all that cognition or the anti-knowledge we collected on servers.

It's people who make certain that the chatbots don't talk nonsense or make things up. These are alleged hallucinations that chatbots experience. Sometimes they don't admit they don't know something, they just make it up. Claude, for example, has a good strategy of rejecting stupid things, things that are highly strange, so there's little probability of him speaking false. These are immense dangers. Can they be avoided? Yeah. utilizing these tools in a liable way.

It's not the tools we're expected to ask. Let's ask our teachers. And if any of them say specified foolish things, let us ask another and choose the wiser. Let us search this wisdom.

Elders should convince younger ones that it is worth being a wise man, not just an excellent influencer, who has immense wealth and fascinating. Unfortunately, celebrities are frequently an adult authority. For God's sake, where do we live? And is this artificial intelligence to blame? She's truly giving up this stupidity. But the celebrity's pushing it too. Let us reject the celebrity, let us reject the foolishness of this strategy and usage it in a liable way. For example, demanding that he not so much compose us a paper on something as he replied, what experts and what they know about it.

When you utilized the word "halucinations", I was reminded of Pope Francis' message to the planet Day of Social Media in January last year entitled “Artificial intelligence and wisdom of the heart: for communication full human”. The Pope points out that the word "artificial intelligence" dispels the more correct word utilized in technological literature "machine learning", device learning, which you besides compose about in 1 of your texts. Francis besides points out that the word “intelligence” itself is misleading. I hear from various experts that we have intelligent homes, cars, cities, which to me is any form of device humanization. On the another hand, the same “experts” dehumanize us by comparing the human brain to the processor, the eyes to the cameras, the memory to the hard drive. I feel like this is crazy.

Once again, you have raised very crucial matters. I'll start at the end. You mentioned an intelligent city, intelligent devices. We're besides talking about the alleged net stuff. I utilized this name due to the fact that it is about the “predictment” of man. We are to become part of the strategy of all things, including this intelligent city. And that requires utmost caution. due to the fact that it's fantastic that the city will control traffic to avoid traffic, right? But in a moment, this phenomenon is going to be spreading, robotization is going to happen. The fridge will be smart, see there's no butter. He'll ask the store to deliver the butter. The robot will bring them. And erstwhile the camera notices I'm in a bad mood, it's gonna run a strategy that's gonna start advising me how to fix it.

All this together will be an effort to get a man to the point. We can't let that happen, but we can usage what truly serves us.

Returning to what the Pope spoke of – the word “intelligence” if you realize it surgically, it is only the ability of rational, predictive and prudent behaviour in a given environment. It's a very simple definition, which matches the human as well as the machine. So it can be said that if the device behaves like this, it is intelligent. The computer is intelligent, so artificial intelligence exists.

And here Pope Francis is very well aware that present this artificial intelligence is in a method sense the same as device learning, which is based on algorithms of computer learning.

The computer either acquires cognition due to the fact that it is loaded to it, or, for example, erstwhile it comes to the game, it learns its rules. For example, the rules of chess are given, and it turns out that after any time the program wins against another best chess programs that in turn win against people. This is due to the fact that this computer has played more games than a human being can play or even study. The computer plays with itself utilizing alleged strengthening learning, simulates that 2 people participate in the game. The winner is rewarded, the losing penalty, and this way the computer learns what it means to play well. And in the end, he plays better than a man.

And that's what device learning is. We're building device learning algorithms, but she's inactive learning, we're just loading cognition into it. On a akin basis, a program was developed which in 2020 was connected to an F-16 flight simulator. First this program played with itself, i.e. he led fighter duels with himself, then he started playing – or alternatively simulated duels – with the best pilots and these duels to win.

Are we facing technological, method unemployment?

That's a tough question. Yeah, I'm certain any competitions will almost disappear. Robotization has already led to quite a few work being done.

A man is no longer a worker. He utilized to go from agriculture to industry. Now from manufacture he's gone to service. It's already been a crazy change, and now possibly we won't find a class for quite a few people. But, uh, here's my mean remark, don't we, by the way, blow up before this problem comes up? I'm reasoning about the West dying.

We will be less and fewer, so unemployment will be less. Generally, we hatred getting kicked out of work. We meet Ukrainians and Ukrainians everywhere in services. People halt wanting to work, and the population of white people virtually dies out. These are very complex issues, I know, but they're peculiarly dominating today. So I am not worried that I cannot foretell the future further – what I see present is disturbing and without artificial intelligence.

Why, In your opinion, so fewer experts talk of the dangers of fresh technologies, and so many say that we are facing a new, wonderful world? In 1 of your texts I read that in our culture it is about ignorance, the market, money and consumption. Isn't that a clue in search of answers to my questions?

This is surely the right lead. In 2023, many outstanding device learning specialists signed an appeal to halt the improvement of artificial intelligence at all. At the same time, they are as fascinated as I am, but they are more capable than I am. And if I were as capable as those young people in the Open AI, I'd most likely drive and grow with them. I'd scream it's getting more and more dangerous for a man, but I'd keep developing it. It's like a drug. Fortunately, I would run to the church and look for peace there that would let me to halt and think deeper about the world.

The second reason for the silence of experts is that any of them have utopian completely dreams of our evolution leading machines, or super intelligent computers.

Yeah, they'll get super smart someday, but they're inactive learning. And that is why we should talk about device learning, not artificial intelligence, due to the fact that it is inactive incredibly far away, if it is always achieved. The dream of any is that the human head can be transferred to the computer, but it is simply a subject for a separate conversation.

What do you think the future of human species and machines will look like?

We're afraid of machines. But if I don't let my brain implant work for me, there's nothing to worry about. I'd be more afraid about the white man dying, not wanting to defend himself against possible invaders. Is Western Europe able to defend itself against Russian invasion? I will say this in a provocative way: America should take care of its own affairs and leave Europe behind, but it is afraid that the Chinese will not scope the Atlantic. Then he can't leave. It should not deal with a Europe that has a suicidal instinct. And that's the real problem, not that the machines will do anything to us.

How to defy Technopol defined by Neil Postman in the book Technopol. Triumph of Culture Technology’? What to do, Professor?

What do I do? I'll say it again: don't get crazy. You can't say, like people once, not to develop, due to the fact that you can't grow. We gotta go back to the basics, the foundations, the fact and the search for it.

The point is that the elites should come to their senses too, so that we don't rejuvenate, dream of a longer life. These are idiots. Otherwise, Technopol will win, and we will go to the open-air museum. I hope we're not murdered by those who rejuvenate and flee from death, from what is human. Death is simply a very crucial minute in human life. He sums up his life.

In 1974, Ivan Illich, in his book “Medical Nemesis” warned against the effects of excessive interference of medicine in our lives. He was very extremist in his views, seeing in her a tool that could yet turn against us. As a strong critic of the medical system, he avoided utilizing healthcare.

I personally believe that we should benefit from the achievements of medicine, but only as part of therapeutic measures. The extremist improvement of man, beyond treatment, poses serious ethical questions that we cannot ignore.

Today wisdom is not included in the price, it seems that people halt looking for it, and only it leads to accepting themselves and surviving what is truly worth it.

So we request to make tiny elites that will radiate with their wisdom into larger environments and possibly yet the critical mass will be exceeded, most of them will see that we should follow in the footsteps of those little many but leading wise lives, that is, those able to enjoy life in communion with others, reconciled with the fact that life besides carries hardship, even suffering, and yet comes to this life summary, or death.

You're a techno-optimist. I'm more of a technopesmist.

I'm a pessimist erstwhile it comes to a man.

Professor, what crucial question has no 1 always asked you about the subject we're talking about, and what is the answer to that?

The Lord has always encouraged me to talk about foundations, culture, man as specified and his uncovering himself in this very hard planet of artificial intelligence. And that's what nobody's asking me about: these foundations. And without them, in my opinion, there's nothing to talk about. Everyone's taking care of today. And tomorrow, they're very surprised. But you asked deep questions. Thank you very much. And I'm sorry I can only answer that.

Thank you for the deep conversation that is missing in the Polish public debate.

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