We met Donald Trump's plan. His 28 points were very badly received in Europe. What was your first thought?
This is simply a plan for any unconditional surrender of Ukraine. Handing over everything, plus an addition. In fact, Ukraine would quit its own territories, approve it and defuse itself. She would besides compose in the constitution that she would not join the NATO alliance. The EU would be the guarantor of this.
At the same time, there are no Russian concessions in this plan. Russia simply obtains what it was not truly able to get during 11 years of war. She gets it on a platter. Plus a warrant that it is actually a return to the Cold War era. That's not even enough.
It threatens our sovereignty. due to the fact that we're not just losing this war. It's not just a gigantic disgrace to the NATO alliance. This shows that any Russian-American coalition was born, which completely excludes Ukraine, the countries of Central and east Europe and Europe itself from discussing how the war can besides be ended.
Everyone is talking about the surrender of Ukraine today. "This is suicide for the Ukrainian state", "Consent to these conditions means complete surrender of Kiev" – commentators respond. Is this truly a surrender?
Yes, this is an absolute surrender.
What about Western surrender?
I think Europe will not give up. I think even though she is excluded from this discussion, she will not accept specified a "peace plan".
Like Ukraine, no Ukrainian leader will truly sign specified a peaceful understanding. due to the fact that his shame will be greater than Percival's shame, who has given Singapore a three-time advantage.
Among those 28 points, you found 1 that would be acceptable?
There are no specified points. This full agreement is rotten, corrupt, and even if there are any declarative passages somewhere, how can 1 be so stupid as to believe that Putin – if he signs an agreement – will follow it?
This is in general a disgrace to the creators of this plan. It's naive to believe that if Putin signs it, he'll keep it.
The facts are that Ukraine, which has defended itself for 11 years, has fortified the fortification lines in Donbasa and now the Russians cannot get it. And now, without a fight, she'd hand it over to the Russian side and disarm at the same time?
The U.S. is expected to be any enigmatic guarantor of peace, but Europe and Ukraine are expected to pay for it due to the fact that even specified are the provisions in this plan. truly in the Kremlin, they most likely wouldn't have come up with specified a wonderful plan to surrender Ukraine, due to the fact that actually all the goals are achieved simultaneously.
There is 1 point about Poland, that European fighters are to be stationed here. How do you feel about that?
This is not even about fighters being stationed in Poland. This is about NATO not being stationed in Ukraine. In fact, it is the dedication of all of Russia to Ukraine. This could origin that in Ukraine again any oligarch completely addicted to the Russian side.
I was most upset by the impunity of war criminals. War criminals should always be accounted for. We've cleared the ones from the Balkans. And here we have a denial of all values that are besides crucial to the United States.
What could be the consequences of this plan for Europe?
I think Europe already realises that it must build strategical autonomy and I think it will respond with a strong voice. I don't believe that's the plan.
That would be a breakthrough. That would be very bad information for Europe. That would be crossing any red line. And a powerful alarm signal that we are at hazard due to the fact that Ukraine, on the basis of this agreement, becomes Belarus and part of Russia. And the enemy is approaching the lines of our east perimeter.
Is this a dangerous plan for Poland?
Definitely. I am always looking from the point of view of Poland's security. Supporting Ukraine – even if you don't like it, you have problems with the past, etc. – it is giving yourself time to retreat the enemy who is behind the Dnieper line.
A rotten peace under specified conditions is nothing but inviting an enemy to decision on. Not only Poland, but Europe besides sees that it is dangerous, due to the fact that we are already dealing with a hybrid war in Europe, where GPS signals are disrupted, where there are arsons, where there are acts of diversion, where there are drone attacks.
Ukraine gives us breath due to the fact that it binds the enemy. Now – if there is simply a "peace" on specified conditions, and Russia inactive takes over Ukrainian resources, due to the fact that that is what this is going to do, including human resources, or well-trained soldiers, then who will defend Europe?
If specified a rotten compromise is made, we are on the front line. And the war, if it's going on, that hybrid in our territory will surely be more intense. Or possibly even kinetic.
What's behind Trump? We see that he is desperate for success on the global stage.
Bob Woodward tried to realize Donald Trump and didn't understand. His first - word counselors actually said they were hiding papers from him. He lives in any virtual world, separated from reality. With Steve Witkoff, who, on Putin's behalf, presents the medal to a household of American criminals who died as a mercenary in Ukraine.
This is truly incomprehensible. There's any unusual love between Donald Trump and the despots and dictators. He admires them. He admired Kim Jong Un, met him in his first term. Now he does the same with Putin.
This is amazing due to the fact that the US is simply a free, wonderful country. And abruptly they have a leader who would very much like to stand in 1 line with these dictators.
